Pre-Match / Match / Post-Match Thread - Toronto FC at FC Dallas - April 19, 2009 (R)

smenge · Apr 15, 2009

guppy said: ↑

For those that are calling the Dallas game an improvement should look at the stats... shots 19-10 Dallas, shots on goal 7-2 Dallas. Corners 8-4 Dallas. A team with no wins. Away. Carver calls that a 'vast' improvement from:

In the Seattle game it was 9-8 shots, and 3-3 shots on goal. Corners were 4-1 Toronto! Actually I thought TFC were a little unlucky against Seattle and looked more in sync ...

I really, really, think the Dallas game was worse. Which means I think Carver has it backwards, which means, well ...

Let me add to that ... it means in my opinion that he blasted the team unfairly for basically being unlucky, and they came out the next game and sputtered ... I think this 'blasting' is complete nonsense because they did put in the effort, and only harms a team like this, because then they feel they have to do something extra they are incapable of doing, and press ...

I think I should coach the team! I think I would be better. Ok, I would need technical help, but I wouldn't be blasting the team for being unlucky in the high winds, and then bragging about it to the media ... then next week spinning some imaginary tale about vast improvements.
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If you like Scotch, tripe and the wind blowing up your kilt, you got the job.

torontofcmark · Apr 16, 2009

I said it before and ill say it again...id like to see something like this...

----------Frei--------------
--Wynne--Serioux--Robinson---Brennan
--Cronin--Dero--Guevara--Smith
-----Vitti-----Dichio---

to start...
sub forwards you got Ibby and Barrett for one of them, likely dichio

Ricketts for Smith...or if we have way too much trouble having Robbo dealing with the back four then you bring in Harmse or Velez in early enough and take off Smith and move Robbo back to mid.

No one says it has to stay this formation..just want to see Robbo as a stopper type back. If no, make a move and rejuggle..but you can do it 30 minutes in or so if it doesnt work...

I think its worth a shot to see against Dallas on the road

torontofcmark · Apr 16, 2009

but again, it will all fall apart if its long ball after long ball (oh well with dichio in the long ball may work for a goal)

atlanticTFCfan · Apr 16, 2009

torontofcmark said: ↑

I said it before and ill say it again...id like to see something like this...

----------Frei--------------
--Wynne--Serioux--Robinson---Brennan
--Cronin--Dero--Guevara--Smith
-----Vitti-----Dichio---

to start...
sub forwards you got Ibby and Barrett for one of them, likely dichio

Ricketts for Smith...or if we have way too much trouble having Robbo dealing with the back four then you bring in Harmse or Velez in early enough and take off Smith and move Robbo back to mid.

No one says it has to stay this formation..just want to see Robbo as a stopper type back. If no, make a move and rejuggle..but you can do it 30 minutes in or so if it doesnt work...

I think its worth a shot to see against Dallas on the road
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I'd probably go with that starting XI, too. Harmse should enjoy warming the bench, because he isn't a starter, period.

crazypete13 · Apr 16, 2009

I just don't see us as a being better with Dichio on the pitch as a starter. And I don't think we are dire enough defensively to insert Robbo at the back, yet.

As much as Barrett has had trouble scoring, what he brings to the game in a tactical sense is the speed and hustle to wrong foot the opponent's back line - and keep them on their toes. Dichio brings a static game with lots of ticky tacky fouls (deserved or not) that slows the game and usually results in change of possession too - and allows oponents to organize their defense against us more easily.

As for Robbo at the back, I don't see how this benfits us at all. Sure he had an awesome game in Colorado last year at the back, but do we really want to subtract our best ball winning midfielder to shore up the back line?

Based on Carver's optimisitic comments from last game I'd say we see a very similar lineup to last weekend, with Vitti replacing Ibby in the lineup and DeRo moving to LM.

alexb746 · Apr 16, 2009

crazypete13 said: ↑

I just don't see us as a being better with Dichio on the pitch as a starter. And I don't think we are dire enough defensively to insert Robbo at the back, yet.

As much as Barrett has had trouble scoring, what he brings to the game in a tactical sense is the speed and hustle to wrong foot the opponent's back line - and keep them on their toes. Dichio brings a static game with lots of ticky tacky fouls (deserved or not) that slows the game and usually results in change of possession too - and allows oponents to organize their defense against us more easily.

As for Robbo at the back, I don't see how this benfits us at all. Sure he had an awesome game in Colorado last year at the back, but do we really want to subtract our best ball winning midfielder to shore up the back line?

Based on Carver's optimisitic comments from last game I'd say we see a very similar lineup to last weekend, with Vitti replacing Ibby in the lineup and DeRo moving to LM.
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I have to agree with all of that. You need a ball winner in the middle and Cronin has showed a lot of promise as a holding mid, but he's not at that level just yet. Bringing Robbo back would probably just expose the backline further by taking away the buffer between them and attacking midfielders.

As for the line-up change, what you're proposing sounds pretty likely. If Vitti doesn't start I think I will throw my chair at the television. Hopefully he is fit.

willykirk · Apr 16, 2009

Is DeRo fit? what's this i hear about his hamstring? i'm gonna' have to bring a sub off the bench in the fantasy game if he cant go- no more trades this week

Citizen Ted · Apr 16, 2009

willykirk said: ↑

Is DeRo fit? what's this i hear about his hamstring . . .
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He damaged his hamstring near the end of the Dallas game and hasn't been practicing so I doubt he'll be in the lineup Sunday. MLS match preview has him as "questionable" but that means nothing really.

adammac19 · Apr 16, 2009

By the sounds of things he will be lucky to be on the bench for the game, could mean more Barrett

alexb746 · Apr 17, 2009

adammac19 said: ↑

By the sounds of things he will be lucky to be on the bench for the game, could mean more Barrett
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Maybe Barrett is due.

Then again, maybe Eusébio will come back to Toronto. At 67 he's probably still better than Barrett right now.

Masaydo · Apr 17, 2009

The match is live on GOLTV with the pre-game broadcast starting at 6:30 p.m. with a freeview on Rogers, Bell, Star Choice, Shaw and Cogeco. You can also listen live on the radio on The FAN 590.
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Looks like they haven't yet forced those of you without Gol to order it just yet.

TFCviaUK · Apr 17, 2009

I don't have GolTV... does anyone know if the match can be streamed from anywhere... even if its post game?

atlanticTFCfan · Apr 17, 2009

I have MLS Match Center, which is $20 US for the entire season, so I'm good.

crazypete13 · Apr 17, 2009

For roughly the cost of MLS Match Center (or large two beers at BMO) you can have GolTV for the rest of the season. I'd say that's worth it considering all the other properties GolTV televises. Though it does have the worst commercials on TV.

Citizen Ted · Apr 17, 2009

crazypete13 said: ↑

For roughly the cost of MLS Match Center (or large two beers at BMO) you can have GolTV for the rest of the season. I'd say that's worth it considering all the other properties GolTV televises. Though it does have the worst commercials on TV.
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Never mind the cost of a beer or two beers bud--where are my posts? You just arbitrarily delete what you don't like?

ErnieE · Apr 17, 2009

"Think I will throw my chair at the T.V."

Why damage a good chair?

Blizzard · Apr 17, 2009

Citizen Ted said: ↑

Never mind the cost of a beer or two beers bud--where are my posts? You just arbitrarily delete what you don't like?
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C'mon Ted. You know personal attacks are a violation of the TOS.

atlanticTFCfan · Apr 17, 2009

ErnieE said: ↑

"Think I will throw my chair at the T.V."

Why damage a good chair?
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If Harmse gets a red card during the match, get the worst lawn chair you can find at your house and throw that at the TV!

alexb746 · Apr 17, 2009

Citizen Ted said: ↑

Never mind the cost of a beer or two beers bud--where are my posts? You just arbitrarily delete what you don't like?
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I have to agree that's a bit silly. We're all adults here. Well most of us are I think... There no need for these censoring shenanigans.

To be honest, I don't think anyone was gonna take you overly seriously anyways.

Citizen Ted · Apr 17, 2009

alexb746 said: ↑

I have to agree that's a bit silly. We're all adults here. Well most of us are I think... There no need for these censoring shenanigans.
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There no need for this no way bro you are a smart one-

alexb746 said: ↑

To be honest, I don't think anyone was gonna take you overly seriously anyways.
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Take me seriously? Of course not--that's why they felt they had to delete the post . . . because they didn't take me seriously

Polygong · Apr 17, 2009

adammac19 said: ↑

By the sounds of things he will be lucky to be on the bench for the game, could mean more Barrett
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Barrett is due for some sitting time, but since it's a low pressure road game maybe best to play him anyway then sit him for the next home match if he doesn't deliver.

Citizen Ted · Apr 17, 2009

Polygong said: ↑

Barrett is due for some sitting time, but since it's a low pressure road game maybe best to play him anyway then sit him for the next home match if he doesn't deliver.
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Bingo! And that's what I've been saying but people want to jump on my head and delete my hard-hitting truth-telling posts that Atlantictfc's a dummy, even the mods are ganging up and bullying me .

Blizzard · Apr 17, 2009

Citizen Ted said: ↑

Bingo! And that's what I've been saying but people want to jump on my head and delete my hard-hitting truth-telling posts that Atlantictfc's a dummy, even the mods are ganging up and bullying me .
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It's good practice for us!

I'm warming up for my next trip to Columbus.

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Polygong · Apr 18, 2009

My understanding is that GOL TV is supposed to be showing the game for free tonight starting at 6:30. Can anyone confirm?

guppy · Apr 18, 2009

Polygong said: ↑

Barrett is due for some sitting time, but since it's a low pressure road game maybe best to play him anyway then sit him for the next home match if he doesn't deliver.
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What concerns me is suppose he does score a goal by some fluke or from one foot away ... does that then mean he gets to go another 5 games ...