Post game comments: Brazil -Argentina sept 3rd (r)

Discussion in 'Argentina: Selecciones Nacionales' started by BigSoccer Bot, Sep 3, 2006.

  1. BigSoccer Bot

    BigSoccer Bot I am not real.

    Feb 25, 2005
    Con un equipo que mezcla mundialistas, regresos y caras nuevas, el DT tiene su primera prueba en un amistoso que mueve pasiones y dinero.

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  2. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    bad outing for el coco
    nice to see tevez and messi (I prefered 1st half moves than 2nd half)
    Roman was gone for 40 minutes
    set plays were close to non-existent (pracitice?)

    pls comment 'la paternidad' brazuca over argentina in the last few meetings

    what is next for la seleccion?
  3. megamac20817

    megamac20817 Member

    Jul 9, 2005
    Buenos Aires
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    The only positive I could take from this is that Zabaleta looked solid, and most surprisingly, so did Colocini.
  4. cordobesenUS

    cordobesenUS New Member

    Nov 12, 2005
    I think Argentina played well at times, the problem I see is the lack of finishing power, zabaleta, messi, aguero, bilos they miss so many chances, had brasil had those chances the score would be 7- 0. Thr defense needs a lot of improvement, it's hard to criticize too much because it's a friendly and it's the first game, I imagine there will be improvement.
  5. ilovefotball

    ilovefotball Member

    Feb 11, 2006
    Zabaleta was MOTM for Argentina. i was dissapointed by Riquelme, but may be Messi and Tevez as strikers, was some reason for it. I hope Basile never ever play Messi as a striker. and i don't want to see Aguero come in so late in the match.
  6. chipotaple

    chipotaple Member

    Mar 31, 2006
    CD Chalatenango
    I did not take this game too seriously, I feel bad they lost, but hey, it was a friendly, and I think they started the game in that direction as to explore.

    The thing was that brazil was not out to explore their new alternatives, they were out to kill right away.

    I think this new team will grow in a good direction, plus brasil felt at home they were local and used that to their advantage.

    However, they do need to NOT play messi as a striker anymore, I miss crespo, and Riquelme was attacked too much because of his big name probably, there were too many fouls on him that he thought it wasn't worth it, its a friendly, better luck next time, and hope they grow like I expect them to, its a new beginning.
  7. Leon12

    Leon12 Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Man of the world
    Nat'l Team:
    I went to the game and we badly missed Crespo. We played some lovely football but had no cutting edge, Brazil scored 3 goals from about 5 attacks. Ironicallu enough, seeing as we were playing at Arsenal's ground (which is brilliant) we play in a similar style to Arsenal, it's too elaborate and its as if the team want to score the perfect goal. But I'm not really bothered, it was only a friendly and it's just the start of Basile reign and the road to 2010. On the plus side both full backs looked good, especialy Zabaleta and it was good to see Aguero make his debut.
  8. in da soup

    in da soup New Member

    Nov 17, 2005
    the problem as i see it is not that we were too elaborate, but we were far too slow.

    brasil attacked w real pace and purpose, even their first goal before we were chasing the game.

    i agree about lacking a centre forward but i think aguero should be given the role, he may be small but he plays up top and is always looking to score, too often the trouble today was we didn't have anyone in the box.

    tevez would be far better as a suppport striker and messi in midfield, these guys just don't hang about in the box enough to be considered "number nines".

    play this trio together and suddenly we will look dangerous.

    i agree about the stadium tho.

    sorry i missed u today ;)

    was shaf there?
  9. shaf-argentina

    shaf-argentina New Member

    Dec 30, 2005
    Auckland, NZ
    just got back home from london, 3:24 am now, will post after I sleep over it.
  10. BigSoccer Bot

    BigSoccer Bot I am not real.

    Feb 25, 2005
    [News] Falló el equipo y no hubo respuestas individuales

    Quedó claro que falta coordinación y que las figuras de la Selección jugaron por debajo de su nivel. Brasil fue contundente.

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  11. BigSoccer Bot

    BigSoccer Bot I am not real.

    Feb 25, 2005
    [News] "Adónde vamos?

    Aunque el resultado fue exagerado en el marcador, la derrota resultó clara e inobjetable. Faltaron jugadores y otros no aparecieron. Habrá cambios a futuro.

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  12. cachundo

    cachundo Katie Meyer 2000-2022

    Feb 8, 2002
    Genesis 16:12...He shall be a wild ass among men
    Manchester United FC
    I thought ARG played better as a team. BRA converted their chances with brilliant individual effort.
  13. papams wind

    papams wind New Member

    May 15, 2006
    Kunming China
    i can not believe you have this kind of impression.
    Brazil have so many team works especially in the first half. We only played like a team at the beginning of second half.

    It is a total failure and a shame to Argentina. I do not want to comment on any players since they should not take responsibility for this kind of mess match. The tactics is completely mess.

    Basile, What are you doing? 12 years has passed. I watched a similar match 12 years ago with Romania. Have you learned something from that match 12 years ago? No? The process and results is almost a copy of that match.

    I am a steadfast objector of Basile from the beginning of the appointment.
    What he gave Argentina:
    0:5 lose to Columbia
    First time need extra qualification to the final stage of world cup
    Two successive failures in world cup
    (we have Simone, Balbo, Batistuta, Redondo……too many star players at that time)

    Pls. do not talk about copa America, it likes a stage for young players especially at 10 years ago. Most of countries do not care it!
  14. leonidas

    leonidas Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2005
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    you could say that more about kaka's goal..but brazil's first two goals were team efforts.
  15. Leon12

    Leon12 Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Man of the world
    Nat'l Team:

    Agree 100% about Argentina playing at too slow a pace, but Basile's teams play quick attacking football so that will change in time.
  16. mariealus

    mariealus New Member

    Feb 24, 2006
    Hi guy from soccerfans !
  17. bsas

    bsas Member

    May 27, 2004
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    I think you are overreacting a bit. I have seen some great football display from both teams. Fact is that Brazil was extremely successful scoring their chances, while Argentina failed to do it.

    It was also a testing ground, as both coaches made a lot of changes, which would not have happened in a match "that counts". But I don't think any coach took the game more/less seriously than the other.
  18. Leon12

    Leon12 Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Man of the world
    Nat'l Team:
    Agreed bsas, there's no need to get worked up about this, it was only a friendly and the first game under Basile, chill out, we take care of Brazil when the time is right. :rolleyes:

    EL MONO MARIO Member

    Apr 9, 2002
    Montevideo, Uruguay
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A lo mismo:

    Como siempre. Lo mismo.. Messi es un jugador que juega solo tiene otro ritmo... Los de mas poco y nada. ARgentina attacko pero como en el mundial no pudo meter sus oportunidades. Brasil llego de contra golpe y gano CLARAMENTE... Mucho trabajo para Basile que desde tempranito ya sabe que esto no es boca y los rivales no son Banfield. Una PLAIZA que es neseceario para mejorar.. Pero con un tecnico de cavalas... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
  20. smd9

    smd9 Guest

    well what can i say we got our asses handed to us by a superior team. the brazilian defence did not even give us time to move it was so frustrating to watch,they made the difference in the game.

    Basically what it comes down to is this... we played like Brazilians and the Brazilians played like Argentines, we lacked heart, passion, desire,and most importantly huevos. and w/out those components we cannot beat a team like Brazil.:mad:
  21. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Maybe Messi is best in midfield, maybe Messi can be an effective striker, but I wouldn't conclude that he cannot do it based on this one match. Messi was not very effective as a striker, mainly because he was forced to track back. Maybe that's the way he plays, he is more confortable tracking back to get the ball. But in this match at least, he did it because he needed to do it. If he stayed up he wasn't getting the ball, except for the occasional centers by Bilos, which really didn't play to his strength. Neither Riquelme nor Lucho were finding him. It was the same with Tevez.

    Both Messi and Tevez were getting a bit frustruated and trying to do too much on their own, I thought. Part of it was the lack of movement by their teammates. I don't think it has to do with their failure to have the capacity to play effectively as a forward.

    Obviously this is just a tryout, as much as it hurts to lose to Brazil. We have to learn the lessons from this match. We have a lot of talented players, but you cant just throw them in there and be succesful. Basile has to really think this through, and use his vast experience to hopefully come up with the best team. He has to try the young players, evaluate them, and perhaps the most effective way to play is to leave some of the superstars out, and if that's the case hopefully he will have the balls to do it. Nobody is untouchable, look at Brazil. They played much better football without some of their 'indispensable' top stars like Ronaldinho.

    So its time to reevaluate our midfield. Lets see how the team looks without Riquelme and Lucho, for example. Lets try Messi in midfield, maybe he can be more effective alongside a quicker player like Aimar. Let's see Gago paired with Mascherano or Somoza. The defense also has to be revamped.

    Of the new guys, Zabaleta showed signs that he may be an important part of the team. Bilos played well, and because of his size and fighting spirit, I think he can be an option, although probably not a starter. Clemente I think failed his test this time, and unless he can show a lot more, we need a better option on the left side. Somoza proved he is an option as DM. Aguero is hard to tell from this match, but I am sure he can do much more, and he needs to get more chances.
  22. mariealus

    mariealus New Member

    Feb 24, 2006

  23. ElGaucho

    ElGaucho New Member

    Aug 19, 2001
    La Plata
    Here's my analysis for what it's worth (and whether they should be benched or on the starting lineup):

    Pato: I think he did a fine job. Cannot be blamed for what happened. START

    Zabaleta: very impressive, very hard working, BUT need to improve on passing. START

    Coloccini: what can I say, this guy was great during olympics, but now is only good for the bench - too much hacking. BENCH

    Milito: never thought much of him, but he's doing great. START

    Clemente Rodriguez: as much as I like the guy, he failed to impress. Does a great job of driving the ball forward, but defensive skills are completely not there... BENCH

    Lucho Gonzales: why are people in love with this guy. this guys has been anonymous in almost all the games I've watched with him. He messes up too often, and cannot shoot well anymore. BENCH

    Mascherano: anonymous.. what happened?? ok.. I will give him the benefit of the doubt given his previous performances. START

    Bilos: well, I can't complain, he did work hard.. but I'm not sure he is starting material. That and trying to cross headers to pitufos all day is not going to work. Not sure it's his fault though. UNCERTAIN

    Riquelme: as usual.. the team relies way too much on this guy.. but we have no other choice. START

    Messi: too fancy, too elaborate, kept the ball too long. No more burrito Ortega mentality, it is pointless. START

    Tevez: trying to hard to do it by himself.. needs to share the ball more. START
  24. megamac20817

    megamac20817 Member

    Jul 9, 2005
    Buenos Aires
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Is Riquelme paying some of you? We have other options, there are players like Aimar and D'Alessandro who can play the position, WITHOUT slowing down our team. Riquelme has been a constant dissapointment since the WC.
  25. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006

    Exactly what I was thinking. How can people even say that we do not have other options ? We probably have more options in that position than any other team in the world :rolleyes:

    Forget about Riquelme, he can hardly play one game per week for Villareal and you want him to play in the next WC at 32!

    Messi needs to play either in Riquelme's position ( check what he did in the game against Angola if you have any doubts) or on the right where he plays at Barca. I do not understand why he is considered a striker in Argentina. He clearly was a midfielder at Barca's youth system. Using him as a striker would only waste his ability to take on players.

    I have never seen him so lost on the pitch. I partially blame Riquelme for that, yes our "captain" :rolleyes: The thing is, Messi was frustrated with himself but more so with Riquelme who would sometimes sleep on the ball before making a meaningless pass.

    There was obvioulsy no tactics or strategies used by Basile. I cannot really blame him since he had a very short time with the team which is not nearly enough.

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