Post 115? Is that the rambling one where you rather strangely assert that the Man U players had to vote for Gerrard by default? Does this mean that you think that the Man U players thought that Gerrard was having a good season (even if you refuse to recognise this fact)? Or do you think that the Man U players were too stupid to recognise any other good performers outside OT other than Gerrard? Or that somehow all Man U players would have a block vote for one of their mates? A somewhat typical breakdown in logic there. Unless, heaven forbid, you actually were making a claim that was complete b@llocks! We disagree on this issue, Teso, accept that this happens on occasion. I would not have voted for Giggs and apparently neither would you. So really we agree that we don't think Giggs was a worthy winner as by our judgement of the available players, Giggs was not the best performing one and was outshone by others. Your defence of his victory is motivated simply by club loyalties and is somewhat embarrasing considering that you yourself have admitted he should not have won it. Be consistent and acknowledge that Giggs' victory was a surprise and unmerited on his level of performances compared to the other candidates.