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  1. Amdrag

    Amdrag Member+

    Jun 10, 2007
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Sarri sucked, no question there. It was a bad appointment and in the end a good firing. The team is also poorly constructed. But I would find it hard to argue that Ronaldo is helping at this point.
     
  2. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bayern showing no rust. Definitely have to be considered among the top favorites at this point. And to think that this team is adding Sane to the mix next season: that's just scary potentially.
     
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  3. Anonymous_United

    Manchester United
    Brazil
    Jul 13, 2018
    These are quotes going around on Twitter, not sure when Pirlo said it but sharing anyway "Juventus lacked quality in the middle. They bought Ronaldo but didn't know how to get the ball to him"... Im not defending CR but imo Juve as a whole dont attack well as a team
     
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  4. Amdrag

    Amdrag Member+

    Jun 10, 2007
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I definitely agree there. But I also think one of those issues was/is trying to make everything work around an aging player who should be playing as a #9 but doesn't want to and honestly might not be all that good there.
     
  5. Anonymous_United

    Manchester United
    Brazil
    Jul 13, 2018
    An ageing player but also a freak and they havent found the right system for CR, some of the matches that i saw Ronaldo was playing more like a winger ala 2004-06.
     
  6. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    You have a point. Thats why Sarri tried the diamond at times. Just didnt suit Dybala.
     
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  7. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

    Staff Member

    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Antilla
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    i love to see chelsea suffer
     
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  8. Amdrag

    Amdrag Member+

    Jun 10, 2007
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    IMO Dybala is probably the best player they have, and they hamstring him a bit. Though at times this season he has made it work anyways, and I felt like he was the key to making Ronaldo work in general inside the team.

    I am curious what Pirlo does. I doubt Ronaldo is leaving and he still have qualities that can make him an effective player, so let's see what Pirlo can do.
     
  9. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  10. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1410 Ashur, Aug 9, 2020
    Last edited: Aug 9, 2020
    Pretty amazing to me how there still can any type of argument whether this being a pk. As clear and undisputed call as it gets...

    Messi was actually lucky he didn't get hurt (even if Koulibaly didn't mean it).
     
  11. Red Jeph

    Red Jeph Member+

    Aug 26, 2006
    Chicago
    I don’t think it’s that clear cut. Koulibaly has control of the ball and Messi sticks his leg in. If he got the ball first then yes, it’s a foul on Koulibaly, but it’s not clear he does. Think about the reverse: if Messi had the ball and was about to shoot, and Koulibaly stuck his leg in without touching the ball and Messi kicked it, would it be a foul on Messi?
     
  12. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Messi clearly got the jump on Koulibaly: he was clever and fast and made Koulibaly look slow and clumsy in this instance.
    And furthermore, Messi never fouled him to begin with and KK kicked him (albeit inadvertently) : it's a clear foul.
     
  13. Red Jeph

    Red Jeph Member+

    Aug 26, 2006
    Chicago
    So to my hypothetical, if Messi is in his shooting motion, Koulibaly sticks his leg in without getting the ball, and Messi kicks it, you think it’s a a foul on Messi?
     
  14. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As long as KK does not touch him to begin with, then yes it would be a foul on Messi. The fact that it is accidental does not change the notion that a foul was committed.
     
  15. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  16. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    That's not a penalty. That's a yellow for simulation. Koulibaly has control and Messi's thrown himself at his leg with the intent of drawing a pen. He didn't try to win/keep possession.
     
  17. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    I didn't notice that Messi didn't play the ball live.
     
  18. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    What does playing the ball have to do with it though?

    If you kick someone, regardless of where the ball is, you get penalized. Right?
     
  19. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    No. Imagine a player is about to hit a long pass and someone closes them down with their boot at knee level, leaves their foot in place and the player's follow through creates contact, that's not a foul on the player who was playing the ball.

    Messi is the defender in this situation. Worst case, this should have been a no call. A travesty that Messi conned a pen out of the officials.
     
  20. Anonymous_United

    Manchester United
    Brazil
    Jul 13, 2018
    Not a penalty for me !
     
  21. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Houston Dynamo, Penang FC, Al Duhail
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

    Staff Member

    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Antilla
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
  23. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  24. jnielsen

    jnielsen Member+

    May 12, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I'm surprised.
     
  25. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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