Pittsburgh?, Cinncinati?, and St. Louis?

Discussion in 'MLS: Expansion' started by Akuma095, Sep 27, 2003.

  1. TetsuoShima

    TetsuoShima New Member

    Jun 9, 2005
    St. louis Metro East
    Club:
    St. Louis Lions
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Out of those 3 mentioned only St. louis to me seems the only viable option.

    St. Louis' biggest rival would most definetly be Chicago. St. Louis and KC would be more a simple bragging rights like it currently is in baseball and football.
     
  2. CBusCrew12

    CBusCrew12 Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    Ohio, USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do the Bears and Rams have a big rivalry? Not really. White Sox/ Cardinals? Nah. Only half of Chicago that see St. Louis as a "must have rival".

    Saying a rivlary between Chicago and St. Louis will happen because of the Cubs/Cards rivalry is like saying a Minnasota team and a Cleveland team would have to be rivals because of the Twins/Indians rivalry. Would that happen? Probably not.

    It all depends on how they're placed. How many times they play a season and how close the teams are in talent will probably decide the clubs rival.
     
  3. TetsuoShima

    TetsuoShima New Member

    Jun 9, 2005
    St. louis Metro East
    Club:
    St. Louis Lions
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But you see i'm from st. louis metro area and I know how the fans of the sports here work. The Rams bears may not have this big rivalry but the chiefs rams have even less of one. And the reason the White Sox Cardinals don't have a rivalry is for obvious reasons, they are not in the same leage in baseball.. Sports fans from St. Louis will almost always choose to target the chicago team as the one they are gunning for to get the best of each season. It is not just the "sports" rivalries. It's a city mindset between St. Louis and Chicago. It has been this way for years no matter what the sport or what the contest. St. Louis looks at Kansas City as the little brother and nothing more. The only thing you will get out of a STL/KC rivalry is a small bragging rights now lets go back to trying to kill off the Chicago team mentality.

    Even though the national papers may not show any rivalry between the Rams and bears, when those two teams meet the fans have the sense of the city rivalry. When the Rams play KC it's more of a "ha ha we won now lets go back to our daily lives" type of thing. KC media might hype it up as a big rivalry but not the st. louis media or fans. There was also a huge Cardinals (football)/Bears rivalry when the big Red were in st. louis all those years.

    But you need to start looking at the rivalry between St. Louis and Chicago as not a simple "sports" rivalry. We have a city rivalry regardless of sports teams being invovled.
     
  4. DavidP

    DavidP Member

    Mar 21, 1999
    Powder Springs, GA
    They can have the Hawks back :D
     
  5. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    MLS would not be supported in Saint Louis. Most people are only interested in soccer if their kids are playing and have a chance at a college scholarship. After that, they are done with the sport. Plus, Saint Louis fans won't pay to see soccer. They think the amateur stuff is better than the pros.
     
  6. Stephen1164

    Stephen1164 New Member

    Jul 7, 2003
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Your average is incorrect, the team is at 2,300 fans per game in a USL 2 division, not bad at all.
     
  7. CBusCrew12

    CBusCrew12 Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    Ohio, USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess 1,300 was last year.
     
  8. wufc

    wufc Member

    May 1, 2005
    UC Irvine
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting, Stone and Wynalda had a short conversation about St. Louis and said that MLS has met with STL officials recently.
     
  9. Stephen1164

    Stephen1164 New Member

    Jul 7, 2003
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Riverhounds moved to Falconi Field instead of the High School fields they have been playing at. They share a Baseball field with the Washington Wildthings of the Frontier League. I'm a season ticket holder and would love MLS but I doubt that will happen.
     
  10. CBusCrew12

    CBusCrew12 Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    Ohio, USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You never know. Stranger things have happened.
     
  11. Tad Ghostal

    Tad Ghostal New Member

    Jun 8, 2005

    Cincinnati might as well get an MLS team someday. all the rest of their sports suck. i know; I used to live there.
     
  12. Tad Ghostal

    Tad Ghostal New Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    exactly. those things wouldn't even happen unless there was a potential soccer fan base in St. Louis.
     
  13. barkerjb

    barkerjb New Member

    Jul 22, 2003
    Poughkeepsie, NY
    I have family from western Pennsylvania so I have been to Pittsburgh many times. In fact, I was born in New Castle so I think my opinion might be worth something. I don't think an MLS franchise in Pittsburgh could work at all.

    First of all, even though the Pirates haven't had a winning season in I don't know how many seasons, they continue to draw decent crowds and everyone within the city recognizes them. In such a small market with competition, I couldn't see more than several thousand people going to the games.

    Second, Pittsburgh offers nothing in a business sense. The city itself is slowing dying off economically and I think it would hurt the league's reputation. I couldn't see Pittsburgh drawing well on television either.

    Overall, Pittsburgh would not be a wise market to explore. Ultimately I think it would be a failure.
     
  14. Kaiser

    Kaiser New Member

    Nov 12, 2000
    dark side of the moo
  15. Stephen1164

    Stephen1164 New Member

    Jul 7, 2003
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Well Pittsburgh doesn't have a Soccer club now since the Pittsburgh Riverhounds FC really play 1 hour south of Pittsburgh in Washington PA.
     
  16. fusionmansteve

    fusionmansteve New Member

    Jun 9, 2000
    Waiting in Lockhart parking lot.....
    Club:
    Miami FC
  17. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Were they talking with St. Loius city officials? In that case, did they learn nothing from the San Antonio experience?

    I'm sure they have. I didn't really hear what Stone and Waldo were talking about, just heard them mention St. Louis. I'd rather them not mention anything until there's a possible investor.
     
  18. NoodlesMacintosh

    NoodlesMacintosh New Member

    Aug 24, 2004
    Salt Lake City
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Twelve. They lost the '92 NL pennant to the Braves and have been losing ever since.
     
  19. swedcrip34

    swedcrip34 New Member

    Mar 17, 2004
    There's a difference between talking and agreeing to a lease. I see no harm in asking St Louis officials if they want to study building a SSS. That's probably where discussions with SA should've stopped.
     
  20. Mack_Dundee

    Mack_Dundee Member

    Mar 16, 2005
    Saint Louis
    What?!! Where is your evidence? Your comments are absurb. You have no clue as to what you are talking about.
     
  21. StillerFan

    StillerFan New Member

    Nov 25, 2004
    Alexandria, VA
    How about that, I was born in New Castle too :D .

    I agree with you, Pittsburgh wouldn't work.
     
  22. Sachsen

    Sachsen Member+

    Aug 8, 2003
    Broken Arrow, Okla.
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh really? St. Louis fans won't pay to see soccer? Then please kindly explain this:
    http://www.stlsteamers.com/

    And this:
    http://www.sover.net/~spectrum/saintlouis.html

    And this:
    http://slubillikens.collegesports.com/sports/m-soccer/stlo-m-soccer-body.html

    And this:
    http://www.acgrassi.net

    etc.

    Welcome to the boards and all, but saying something like "I don't think St. Louis fans will support MLS, because of X, Y, and Z," would go over a lot better than "St. Louis fans will not pay to see soccer. MLS will not be supported."

    You know not whereof you speak.
     
  23. caputobd

    caputobd New Member

    Aug 10, 2001
    Chicago, IL
    St. Louis has been discussed recently on other threads and provided they come up with an I/O it is entirely feasible. There are a few options in terms of expansion of current small venues in the area.

    Cincinnati blows...take it from someone who lived there. If MLS is going to expand in Ohio, it should be Cleveland. With the Force and Crunch (indoor) they already have some growing interest in soccer over the years, the fans are better, and they are more likely to come up with the land and an I/O.

    Pittsburgh? I only have this to say, UGH. First of all, the crew already stole their black and yellow theme that every team in the city must have, so they are screwed....next.
     
  24. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Red Card

    Feb 13, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That and Cleveland would have Drew Carey as their celeb fan.
     
  25. steve19981

    steve19981 New Member

    Apr 16, 2003
    Pittsburgh
    Though I'd love to have an MLS team in my backyard, I don't think Pittsburgh is a very good expansion candidate. Don't get me wrong, I love this city's passion for sports. When teams here are winning, there aren't any better fans in the country and unlike most MLS frachises, I think you would actually see a bump in attendence if a team here was playing well. Despite Western PA not being known as a soccer hot bed, I think the fans would still be there. Heck, most people would probably show up just because it gives them another excuse to get drunk in the middle of the afternoon.

    The problem with MLS in Pittsburgh besides the Crew already having our colors is the almighty dollar. At this point, I don't think we have a venue suitable for an MLS team. Heinz Field is too big and has field turf. If a new stadium were to be built here, it would have to be privately financed. The city government is still struggling to stay out of bankruptcy from the costs to open PNC Park and the House that Ketchup Built and needs to construct a new arena if it hopes to save the Pens. I can't see an investor emerging that would be willing to foot the bill to develop a plan that would satisfy MLS's prerequites for expansion.

    Though this is a little off topic, I do think it's time the US national team considered Heinz Field for a qualifier or a friendly. Pittsburgh might be the only place in America where one can take in a game with an unquestionably pro-Yanks crowd even against Mexico and enjoy a full potency beer while doing so.



    Steve
     

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