Pittsburgh?, Cinncinati?, and St. Louis?

Discussion in 'MLS: Expansion' started by Akuma095, Sep 27, 2003.

  1. Akuma095

    Akuma095 New Member

    Sep 21, 2003
    DO YOU GUYS FEEL THAT PITTSBURGH, CINNCINATI, AND ST. LOUIS WOULD BE GREAT CITIES FOR THE MLS IN THE FUTURE?
     
  2. modenafc1912

    modenafc1912 New Member

    Jan 28, 2003
    Modena, Italy
    Club:
    Modena FC
    Someone "stole" me the answer ... I'd say they have to do much more in the a-league first and build a good fan base (I read very very low attendance in Cincinnati. Am I right?)

    Anyway good luck guys!
     
  3. Sevin

    Sevin Member

    May 24, 2001
    U.S.
    You are right. But they must of had the worst owner in the history of sports up there. I don't think anyone in who knows that story can hold that against them. That guy is amazing!!
     
  4. modenafc1912

    modenafc1912 New Member

    Jan 28, 2003
    Modena, Italy
    Club:
    Modena FC
    All Listening ...

    Yeah hope to hear that story one day ;-)
     
  5. afgrijselijkheid

    Dec 29, 2002
    mokum
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    st. louis would probably be good if they had a stadium
     
  6. supa

    supa New Member

    Mar 15, 2000
    united states
    i agree with bluedaddy, and hopefully the will get a club in the future.
     
  7. nyrmetros

    nyrmetros Member

    Feb 7, 2004
    Evidently Cincy was interested back in 1996.

    Copyright 1996 Associated Press
    All Rights Reserved
    The Associated Press September 11, 1996, Wednesday, PM cycle
    SECTION: Sports News
    LENGTH: 518 words
    HEADLINE: Coming Next To Cincinnati: Soccer?
    BYLINE: By JOE KAY, AP Sports Writer
    DATELINE: CINCINNATI
    BODY: Mike Brown's interest in soccer runs deeper than his investment in field-goal kickers.

    The Cincinnati Bengals president is thinking of investing in a Major League Soccer franchise that would join his football team at a new stadium scheduled to be ready in 2000.

    Two other NFL families - the Krafts and the Hunts - have a financial stake in the first-year soccer league. Brown said Wednesday that his family has a longstanding interest in soccer.

    "We've been thinking about soccer since we first came here," Brown said, while watching his football team practice. "It doesn't make money yet. That's been its history to this point. But that could be changing."

    The Bengals and Hamilton County agreed Tuesday on an outline for financing a football stadium. The memorandum of understanding establishes how income from luxury boxes, club seats, personal seat licenses and other sources will be divided. It also sets sales levels that must be met before construction will begin.

    The team and the county still have not agreed on where the stadium would be built, and no architect has been chosen.

    The agreement gives the Bengals exclusive rights for the next 10 years to bring professional soccer to the stadium. Brown will wait until his team is settled into the stadium before actively pursuing the option.

    "It's our exclusive right, one we're going to look at seriously more and more," Brown said. "Soccer is coming on throughout the country and some NFL owners currently are operating soccer teams. We're going to take a hard look at it."

    Robert Kraft, owner of the New England Patriots, is an investor in the New England Revolution. Kansas City Chiefs founder Lamar Hunt is involved with the Columbus and Kansas City soccer teams.

    Youth and high school soccer are popular in the Cincinnati area, but there's been no campaign to bring in a professional team.

    "There's a lot of participation. It has less of a following as a sport," Brown said. "That part is still in the process of building."
     
  8. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Red Card

    Feb 13, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cincy might not be a bad place to put a team. For one you have a rivalry set with the Crew, and OVYSA is a good sized youth org that may create a good fan base.

    I think if they tied in with Dayton for fans that it could be a good fit.
     
  9. bigtimebuck4

    bigtimebuck4 Member

    Oct 10, 2004
    Cinci is a terrible idea. Poor sports town to begin w/ and too much competition from the Reds and Bengals.

    From this point forward, MLS should look to great soccer towns and/or nice sized cities w/ little competition (Salt Lake City, San Antonio??).

    I Think St. Louis would be a great choice given its soccer heritage.
     
  10. lkgf09

    lkgf09 Member

    Jun 7, 2004
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    St.Louis would be great for MLS. Pittsburg would not be a good choice at all.
     
  11. Fireball_Dan

    Fireball_Dan New Member

    Jul 10, 2001
    Palos Park, IL
    Only St. Louis of those three would be good for soccer. I don't see the fan bases in either Pittsburgh or Cincy.
     
  12. Looper121

    Looper121 Member

    United States
    Jun 19, 2003
    Sec 104
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hmm, well, maybe Canton, Akron, and Cleveland should be next...throw in Dayton for kicks :rolleyes:
     
  13. Joe Stoker

    Joe Stoker Member

    Mar 10, 2003
    Stokerland
    Akron, the town that gave us professional mud wrestling.

    Pittsburgh has always been an enigma to me. It has taken on more of a cosmopolitan air since I first started visiting (when the skies were yellow), but it still strikes me as clannish (think highlander, not bedsheets) in an Appalachian sense (and that is no knock, just a neighborly observation). It developed such a rich soccer heritage from the 30's thru the 50's, yet the big-time Phantoms ('67) were hosting crowds in the three-figure variety by season's end. I guess burghers knew a bad deal (Well, good players, but horrible ownership). The subsequent ASL teams were virtually ignored. Seemed that every group/clan had their own reasons for not supporting it.

    Although the ethnic divides don't seem as great as they once were (amongst whites) in Pittsburgh, the economy and geography still play into it. Tough place to get around, even with a map. And at least those yellow skies meant plenty of jobs. I believe pro soccer really had it's shot in Pittsburgh just after WW II (NASFL). If it, and a pro league, had established itself at that boom time... well... we might not be having this discussion.

    Even with a I/O and SSS, I couldn't imagine an operation in or around Pittsburgh drawing any better than 10K tops. And I'm being generous and sympathetic as an old friend can be.
     
  14. CBusCrew12

    CBusCrew12 Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    Ohio, USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    St. Louis, probably will in the future. Would be nice rivals, KC and St. Louis if KC sticks around.

    Cincy, NO! Horrible soccer town. Great fans, but they don't take much liking to soccer.

    Pittsburgh, maybe. Since the Penguins are gone and the Pirates are an average MLB team, they're left with only one pro team they can accually look forward to watching, the Steelers. If a team was ever to come to Pittsburgh, I think they would draw well early. Their first impression would mean the difference between high attendance and poor attendance. I they start out winning I think people would fill the stands for a while, but if they start out slow it would be tough sledding to get people interested.

    The people in Pittsburgh are still hooked to the glory days of the 70's when they were winning the World Series and the Superbowl left and right and the 90's when the Penguins won back-to-back Stanley Cups and were in the playoffs 11 straight season. If you're not a winner in The 'Burgh, it's tough to survive.

    They do have the Riverhounds (USL 2nd Division), who will be scrimaging the Crew in August: http://www.riverhounds.com/cgi-bin/dist/news.cgi?id=2 They average about 1,200 a game which is not bad for the USL.


    I would name them Steel City ________ I can't think of a nickname. I'd play it off like FC Dallas, just Steel City.
     
  15. DoyleG

    DoyleG Moderator
    Staff Member

    FC Edmonton
    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    Victoria, BC
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    St. Louis seems the the best of the three. Although St. Louis would want to get an NBA team first.
     
  16. McGinty

    McGinty Member

    Aug 29, 2001
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I'm almost certain that St. Louis fans would want to establish a rivalry with Chicago before KC.
     
  17. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Red Card

    Feb 13, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree, not that one with KC wouldn't happen, but given the whole cubs v cards the makings are all there.
     
  18. CBusCrew12

    CBusCrew12 Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    Ohio, USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Either one works.
     
  19. Merlin172

    Merlin172 Member

    Mar 16, 2000
    Kansas City, Kansas
    The Cincinnati metro area ranks #2 in the country in soccer participants per 100 people. (source: Soccer Industry Council of America)

    That tells me it's got a much better shot at sustaining a potential MLS team than most seem to think.
     
  20. Sachsen

    Sachsen Member+

    Aug 8, 2003
    Broken Arrow, Okla.
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually, I doubt this one. The Cards-Cubs thing is based on 100+ years of National League rivalry. Obviously the only time the Cards and Royals played was in '85... until interleague came along.

    Soccer wouldn't be affected by any of that. I actually think an I-70 rivalry across Missouri would catch on big. The media and KC fans would play a big role in it. Actually, a Midwestern Cup (KC, St. Louis, Chicago) would be pretty cool. The only thing that would throw a minor monkey wrench in there would be if KC was in the West and St. Louis in the East (assuming MLS still is going with the 2 conference format by that time.)

    But this is all purely hypothetical as I have never heard any news whatsoever of anyone in St. Louis being interested in buying a team. Although I'm somewhat surprised Busch isn't interested seeing Budweiser is a major supporter of US soccer.
     
  21. CBusCrew12

    CBusCrew12 Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    Ohio, USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You could throw Columbus into that "Midwestern Cup" since technically Ohio is a Midwestern state.
     
  22. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Red Card

    Feb 13, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well MVYSA has a strong following. Having lived in Dayton for 9 years and I was a coach and ref in the leagues there, there is no doubt that they could potentially pull in alot of fans. Wonder how much the Crew would affect that though.
     
  23. Sachsen

    Sachsen Member+

    Aug 8, 2003
    Broken Arrow, Okla.
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, but Indiana's in the way, plus y'all are in the eastern time zone. Sorry, we can't let you in to our club :D
     
  24. McGinty

    McGinty Member

    Aug 29, 2001
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Actually, Cubs/Cardinals is more recent than that. And believe me, Cardinal fans don't care about the Royals. We hate Denkinger much more than KC. Also, Blues/Blackhawks on a Saturday night was always an intense game back in the old Norris Division.

    A rivalry would take place, but it would likely be a more one way rivalry. As you said, it would be the KC media and fans playing it up, but I don't think the St. Louis fans would care as much about it. Of course, division alignment would also be a big factor, as well as a Dema Kovalenko type moment.

    Remember, just like in Kansas City, just because you don't hear about someone doesn't mean there isn't interest.

    August A. Busch III isn't interested in owning sports teams. He sold the Cardinals even after the relationship was very public and beneficial for both parties.
     
  25. THOMA GOL

    THOMA GOL BigSoccer Supporter

    Yokohama F-Marinos
    Jul 16, 1999
    Paradise of the Pacific
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The forefathers had to go through what state of land BEFORE making it further midwest?? Who´s the GATEWAY of the Midwest? Not our fault that Ohio was da trendsetter. Big up.
     

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