Peter Crouch...world class?

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  1. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    Well, did he score against Ecuador? Portugal? Sweden? Argentina? Crouch has oddly scored against very poor sides but not hte better ones. If England hadn't played quality sides, I'd agree with you. But he has and has failed to score.
     
  2. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London
    Crouch could not score against Ecuador as he did not play. Against Portugal he came on after Rooney got sent off, he played well but England could not keep possesion with only 10 men - a bit unfair to criticise Crouch for this game.

    Against Argentina he did not score but if you recall Owen nipped infront of Crouch's head for his first goal - if he had not done this Crouch would likely (but not definitely) have scored himself. Also Crouch came on with 10 minutes to go, so to berate him for not scoring in that time is unfair.

    Sweden fair comment, Crouch did not score after coming on for an injured Owen.

    Crouch played 3 world cup games with 10 team mates. He scored in 1 of them. So it is not too bad.

    I do agree that he has not yet done enough to merit a tag as a World class international striker.
     
  3. lost

    lost Member

    May 24, 2006
    England
    All the players credited Crouch with turning the Argentina game on its head, and he did, so let's not slate him for not scoring in that one, there are plenty of other egs of when he has been below par.
     
  4. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    But I didn't say that "it was horrible and awful". But he hasn't shown anything against top quality opposition either internationally or in the EPL.
     
  5. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    You're joking, right? Riquelme being taken off was likely the reason the game turned, especially since Crouch was in absolutely no position to get any power (as usual) on the header Owen scored from.
     
  6. lost

    lost Member

    May 24, 2006
    England
    It was actualy the subbing of Ayala that Argentina apologists credit the result of that game for, but Crouch was most certainly instrumental in pulling defenders away in the box. ANyway, i don't care enough about the incident to argue, jus wanted to make that point.
     
  7. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    You mean like for Owen's goal? The one where he had to push Crouch out of the way to score? Yeah, that's clearing defenders out of the way, all right.
     
  8. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London
    Well, this game should not really be relevent for the argument about Crouch being World class or not as he only played in the last ten minutes.
     
  9. mis-e-one

    mis-e-one New Member

    Aug 23, 2004
    Bedfordshire
    Shit no!

    OK, his record at international level thus far is good, but he hasn't scored many goals at club level.

    Henry, Shevchenko, Van Nistelrooy have all done it consistently at club level. If Crouch wins the Golden Boot this season, I'll retract my statement though. :p
     
  10. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London
    I have already mentioned his international appearances where he has not really played a full game against decent opposition except Sweden. Portugal we had 10 men and he only played 10 minutes against Argentina. He played about 25 mins against Uruguay and scored.

    It is not accurate to say he has not scored in big league games. From the beginning of season 2004/2005 Crouch has scored league goals against Bolton, Spurs, Newcastle, Boro, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal, Villa, Fulham, Portsmouth, Wigan, West Ham.

    In addition he has scored against Man Utd in the FA Cup and Chelsea in the Community Shield. This last goal is the least important in this list.

    Where Crouch needs to claim some big scalps are in the Champions League where his only goal to date is against Maccabi Haifa. It is also true that Crouch needs to be more prolific a goal scorer in the Premiership.

    In terms of international matches England have the Netherlands in a few months which should prove a good test for Crouch.
     
  11. hasselbrad

    hasselbrad Member

    Jul 25, 2006
    Sugar Hill, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Peter Crouch is the white, a little too tall and a lot too slight, Pele! :p
    Just imagine if he ever attempts a bicycle kick...
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  12. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London
    To be fair to Peter Crouch, not many players can do stepovers over the opposing players:D

    Also in the lineup before kickoff and during the national anthems it brings great mirth to me witnessing the camera panning across the players singing. The camera moves from Ashley Cole's face then across to Crouch's ankles and then across to Owen's face. Priceless!
     
  13. West 'am 'till I die

    West 'am 'till I die BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Mar 28, 2006
    London

    True true.... did you see that time Shaun Wright-Philips and Crouch got subbed into the game at the same time (standing next to each other) funny as arse
     
  14. JaredSS07

    JaredSS07 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 6, 2005
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I read somewhere that Crouch typically runs more during a game than anyone else on the field. Something like 14k instead of an average 12.5 for a midfielder. Worldclass or not, the guy hustles.
     
  15. Ghostface

    Ghostface New Member

    Jul 18, 2006
    Detroit, MI
    Over-rated on his heading ability, but he is not nearly credited enough for his footwork and touch. It's rather good for a man of his size.
     
  16. BlackPearl

    BlackPearl Member

    Jul 21, 2006
    UK
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Definetly over-rated on his heading ability. He really didn't do much apart from his goal with T&T. His goal scoring record is good so far but as everyone has said against poor opposition :p . Time will tell whether he's world class or not.
     
  17. AnyLuckForEngland?

    Jul 10, 2006
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Peter Crouch looks like a baby giraffe when he runs. While he scores in bunches, he also misses a half dozen sitters. He hasn't scored any goals against world class opposition, and he's not going to be starting for England in any more big tourneys.

    Peter Crouch? Tee-hee. Peter Crouch: World Class Player? Surely you jest.

    He's not a bad player, don't get me wrong. But he's not World-Class.

    If I have to pick England strikers who are better, well, we have Michael Owen, Wayne Rooney, Darren Bent, Jermaine Defoe, Andy Johnson, etc.
     
  18. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    His stride is probably 10% bigger than anyone elses, so he only puts in the same effort into covering that extra distance.
     
  19. 655321

    655321 New Member

    Jul 21, 2002
    The Mission, SF
    Uh, six miles of running is still six miles, no matter how big your stride is. The stat isn't to show who works harder to cover more ground, but who covers more ground due to hustling more.
     
  20. lost

    lost Member

    May 24, 2006
    England
    Come on, ten percent bigger stride leads to ten precent more distance travelled. Yes he is a hard worker, but he is also covering more distance due to height.
     
  21. AllWhitebeliever

    AllWhitebeliever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2006
    On the injury table
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    New Zealand
    mmm...Peter Crouch... mmm...Yes Peter Crouch.

    Ole!!

    I believe that Crouch is World Class but have not yet proven himself. Sounds very contradictionry doesn't it?

    What I really mean is that Crouch had not been given enough time againest quality oppositions and revelationX has stole some of my thunder in the previous post. However againest the quality opposition (the little time that he got) and againest poor opposition, there is no doubt he perform the role, he was told to do strategy wise. With the goals and the flashes of quality control touches that he delivered in the three different roles that he have to adapted very quickly during the World Cup finals, only a World Class quantity striker could do so. His strength is not that obvious but it is rather his remarakable adaptability and diversity that stands him apart from other World Class strikers.

    The problem is that he does make the things that other have difficulties look simple because of the thin tall figure he has and he does what other strikers of normal height does in the same situation and for the same situation, a tall striker would normally do a different thing by using their tall frame more as shielding, lunging, jumping headers, shoving. Crouch can do all that but he done more than that already, simply because it looks like he is determine to have the ball at his feet, to really sprint hard and do more running, to dribble more, to challenge hard for 50/50 balls, to target set passes, not afraid to do something unusual occasionally, has a creative streak in him that occasionally comes up without compromising his overall assigned strategy role.

    What I think is that most people are not sure is what specific roles that he actually has. Is he a quality striker or a quantity striker? Is he a target forward or a run-on forward? Is he a turn and shoot player or a pass and shoot player? Is he a front forward or a deep forward? Is he am intensive sprint player or a endurance player?

    He just changes to the strategy, he does not particulary have great strengths in a couple of areas at an very high quality as most strikers like Henry or Owen have. But yet he is able to do virtually everything effectively as a striker can do. He is what could be better described as a genuine all-round quantity striker. What is so mysteriously great about this, is that the unpreditable and diverse nature of his abilities.

    It is almost watching a stop start machine. eg run of the mill move, run of the mill shot, run of the mill pass, oh hold he suddenly out sprint the defender to the ball and then run of mill pass to teammate, run of the mill into the deep position to do a run of the mill pass to wing, back to run of the mill front position to pass ball back to midifled to shoot, then run of the mill back to the midfield to pass to forward, then run of the mill support other wing, oh he dribble past the outside defender along the line and then run of the mill lay back and then back to the front centre to do a run of the mill pass back to midfield for a shoot.......end of a midfield cross to his feet at the 80th minute, turns the first time in the match and scores ("What the Hell?" say everyone).

    He is everywhere, he covers a larger space area so he does more team supporting, the defenders can't follow him or they will lost their zonal defence cover, he runs in angles covering two or three zonal areas in one run, he looks very plain running but the closer the defenders are to him the more they realise he is moving constantly faster (What the hell?) because he is using his long strides as well, they get close to his body but his foot with the ball is another 5 inches away (What the Hell?) and thats without him extending his arm. He doesn't lose the ball because he is either moving fast long strides with the ball or his feet is further away from his lowered body or he goes in touch pass and moves back the other way. He is constantly moving, does he ever stop? most defenders are thinking. they also think "But he is a forward (What the Hell?), he shouldn't be doing that, that's a midfielders job! What is he doing there? Can he not stand still? hold on he's out of my zonal range, he's yours. (What the hell?) What is he doing in my zon.. oh he gone out?

    Not many players especially up front can do what he is doing. Drops deeper than most forwards. Clumsy tackler but he reaches further than anyone else to spoil the ball. His occasional touches may seem clumsy but then he is reaching and lunging for the ball that most players can't do at all. He is everywhere, constantly moving away from ball, going to ball, moving side along ball, not even a walk but a jog at the least, hard to keep tracking in different areas, most defenders rather wait for him to return to their zone rather than tracking, he keeps changing zones and defenders hate moving pass their energy/fitness than needed without losing their defence organistion. Crouch is a boring pain in a defender neck but he pulls off the most unlikely shots after a couple of ordinary shot before, it does not make sense but yets it happens.

    He is very effectiveness in his diversity and hard to cover all the time. He does things that foward does not need to do but he does them and hardly loses the ball while doing it. His only preference is not to give him too many headers and pass to his feet more.

    Most people expects him to behave like all other tall strikers do and that is a huge underestimation by players too even his own teammates and coach. He is an allrounder forward, he is a bigger quantity striker that I have seen. Usually tall striker like him are quality strikers but he acts like a quantity striker that has a greater number of shots per game because he creates the space with own hardwork and gives lots of assists because of the hardwork. Usually quality stikers are more individual one-on-one players in tigher space with a better goals to shots ratio plus the classy assist but heavily rely on good service. Crouch is a team player and is a world class quantity striker. There has been plenty of quantity strikers before but admittedly nothing like the tall striker in the form of Peter Crouch. He acts like a short quantity striker, yet by doing that it is hard for defenders to behave and react to him simply because he easily changes to use his tall figure to gain an extra last moment edge should a defender do well enough to get near providing another unexpected challenge of frustration.

    Ole to Peter Crouch, the hardworking quantity striker who happens to use his height advantage more for quantity strikes and not for quality strikes. Unusual but prove effective and very diverse and plenty of team support he gives to. He is probaby the best quantity striker that England has seen. He's a different World Class. Normally most people don't place quantity strikers as World Class because they are not alway pretty shots and less individual, but that is rubbish and usually their goals per minute prove them.

    Peter Crouch...World Class...Ole.

    :cool:

    Hang loose guys
     
  22. royalstilton

    royalstilton Member

    Aug 2, 2004
    SoCal
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    brilliant post! it will take nicephoras hours to respond!!! :D
     
  23. hasselbrad

    hasselbrad Member

    Jul 25, 2006
    Sugar Hill, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah...but he's not a midfielder. He's a striker. Let's see the World Class strikers all run 11% more than the midfielders and see what their production is like.
     
  24. liverbird

    liverbird BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 29, 2000
    Mars
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What if he scores another brace today?
     
  25. lost

    lost Member

    May 24, 2006
    England
    But you know it will be good reading.
     

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