Penalty kick procedures and organization help.

Discussion in 'Referee' started by campton, Sep 8, 2007.

  1. campton

    campton New Member

    May 1, 2007
    I Just got home from my u14 boys classic 1 game in northern Illinois. The game ended 2-2 and by leauge rules, they go straight to penalty kicks. In my pregame with two very young officials (them being 12 me being 15) how to manage the players after the final whistle is blown. They didnt have any books or means to help me organize so it was on me. I kept all players on the pitch, gave them 5 to get organized then pulled 5 shooters from each side out of the circle. the 5 remaming stayed in the circle with one of my AR's.

    Im wonderin, how do you keep track of who shoots, who scores, who's eligible. Just advice in general would be great.

  2. falcon.7

    falcon.7 New Member

    Feb 19, 2007
    OSI sells penalty scorecards for just such a thing. I have not used mine yet, but they look like they could work well. For a simpler approach, use the back of your game card, make 2 columns - 1 for each team - and write down the number and if they scored ("x" for good, "o" for miss). When a player comes up, check the book to make sure they're eligible, and go from there.

    As to managing the players, talk to the coaches before the game and make sure they know the procedures. Then have 1 AR go to one bench and 1 to the other immediately following normal time to make sure everyone stays where they should be. During the kicks, generally senior AR controls the center circle while junior goes with you to administer kicks.
  3. CTRef

    CTRef Member

    Jun 2, 2006
    Sounds like you did fine. One thing though. Teams are only required to select a shooter each time it is their turn to kick. Can't ask them to select five shooters at the start.
  4. campton

    campton New Member

    May 1, 2007
    You see, thats what i thought. But they had their five outside the circle and were like "heres our five" for both sides. I just let them go, it seemed like a waste to put them back in, then get them re-organized.
  5. CTRef

    CTRef Member

    Jun 2, 2006

    Yes, in some areas and among some referees, it has been a pervasive myth that teams must select five shooters at the start, or even submit a list of the order of their shooters. None of which is true. Not only are teams only required to select one shooter at a time, but their latitude is so great that if a PK must be re-taken (e.g. GK moves off the line), they can actually send out a different shooter to re-take the kick.

    This USSF position paper on kicks from the mark might be useful, although it doesn't go into certain situations that might arise:
  6. Gary V

    Gary V Member+

    Feb 4, 2003
    SE Mich.
    Sounds like you did well. What you need to keep track of is who kicked, and whether it went in or was a miss. This can be done on a blank piece of paper as well as any special form. As each player comes up to make the kick, write down his number.

    Remember that if one team gets so far ahead that the other team can't match them, even if they score all the rest of their initial 5 kicks, the procedure ends. For example, if one team makes all of their first 3 shots and the other team misses all 3. The best result possible would be 3-2, so the team that made the 3 has already won the game.
  7. NHRef

    NHRef Member+

    Apr 7, 2004
    Southern NH
    I've been involved in this several times now and here's how we usually run it, of course it's always been at the end of over time periods when we have a chance to "prep" coaches:

    - at the final whistle, each AR gets infront of a bench, yes long run for the parent side AR. Mission to keep bench players on the bench.
    - at the final whistle CR acts like traffic cop making sure everyone on the field stays on the field
    - all 22 players to the vicinity of the center circle, coaches can come out for this part to talk to players. Actually anywhere but on the bench is fine, mission is to keep track of the 22 "eligible" players and let coach talk to them.
    - coin toss
    - one AR in center circle with 20 players, no coaches, keepers down at the net.
    - one AR on goal line with non-playing keeper behind him at the PA line, AR on the GA line.
    - AR in circle controls when to send next shooter down and records number as the guy walks down. CR gets number when he hands the ball over.

    Everyone has a job and it flows pretty smooth.
  8. DWickham

    DWickham Member

    Dec 26, 2003
    San Diego
    Well done.

    It can help to manage the players and substitutes if you blow the whistle once (not 3 times) at the end of regulation time. Everyone will stop, thinking you called a foul. You now have their attention. Tell the players to remain on the field or go to the center.
    Your assistant referees' job is to guard the touch line to keep players on and substitutes off the field.

    Let the coach come onto the field to talk to the players and bring them water, etc. With younger players, the coaches often will line them up in the order they are going to shoot. As others have said, you don't need a list, and the order can be changed at anytime. The coach needs to leave the field before the kicks begin.

    If the most experienced assistant stays in the center circle, he or she can help speed things along by having the next shooter ready, and help you by also keeping track of the numbers of the players shooting and the result. The AR's most important job is to make sure you don't let the same player shoot twice before all 11, including the keeper, have.
  9. refmike

    refmike New Member

    Dec 10, 2003
    Cal North
    I have never heard of changing kickers for a retake of a KFTM. Can you produce a source for that instruction? I can understand if that is allowed for a PK but not for a situation where we are counting the kickers. This implies that two kickers are using their turns for a single kick.
  10. NHRef

    NHRef Member+

    Apr 7, 2004
    Southern NH
    It is allowed, at least was made clear to us when we went to KFTM at a U18 State cup final. I've never seen it in action.

    It's not like two people taking turns on a single kick. when you decide the kick was not properly taken, its as if the kick never happened and you start over, including a new kicker if they want.
  11. ref47

    ref47 Member

    Aug 13, 2004
    n. va
    see atr 14.5 and 19.1, 2006 edition.
  12. refmike

    refmike New Member

    Dec 10, 2003
    Cal North
    Thank you.

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