Pele vs. Michael Jordan

Discussion in 'Players & Legends' started by AmericanSalv, Mar 11, 2010.

  1. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Look at his Naivety in conclusion:

    But the virtue of youth is its resilience. Perhaps in a half-century from now, Pele’s name will be long forgotten, and our grandchildren will be embroiled in a similarly tedious debate about the relative merits of Lionel Messi and Ross Barkley. Every generation ultimately remakes its own truth.

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    I can challenge him that in the next century Pele was always the king of football .

    Pele hung up his boot in 76-77, and "HALF century passed" in WC2006 and WC2010 ... who did ever come close to his status? NONE ... Messi failed at 2010
    and people are still have a very slim hope with his WC2014 ... and even so ... Pele won 2 or 3 "half a century" before
     
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  2. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    #677 PuckVanHeel, Nov 17, 2014
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2014
    As a continuation of the post in the other thread ( http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/footballs-mount-rushmore-by-era.2013078/page-3#post-31409227 ), I looked at the composition of Brazil their squads between 1957 and 1970 (except the 2nd South American championship in 1959, 1963 and 1967 when they sent clearly sub-par squads, dropped out entirely or some state leagues refused to release players).

    1957

    Carioca 13: 3 Botafogo, 3 Flamengo, 2 Vasco da Gama, 2 America, 2 Bangu, 1 Fluminense
    Paulista 9: 4 Corinthians, 2 Santos, 2 Sao Paulo, 1 Portuguesa

    1958

    Carioca 12: 4 Flamengo, 3 Botafogo, 3 Vasco da Gama, 1 Fluminense, 1 Bangu
    Paulista 10: 3 Santos, 3 Sao Paulo, 2 Corinthians, 1 Portuguesa, 1 Palmeiras

    1959-1

    Carioca 13: 5 Vasco da Gama, 5 Botafogo, 1 Fluminense, 1 Bangu, 1 Flamengo
    Paulista 9: 3 Santos, 2 Palmeiras, 2 Sao Paulo, 1 Portuguesa, 1 Corinthians

    1962

    Paulista 13: 7 Santos, 3 Palmeiras, 2 Sao Paulo, 1 Portuguesa
    Carioca 9: 5 Botafogo, 3 Fluminense, 1 Bangu

    1966

    Carioca 11: 4 Botafogo, 3 Fluminense, 2 Flamengo, 1 Bangu, 1 Vasco da Gama
    Paulista 10: 6 Santos, 2 Sao Paulo, 1 Palmeiras, 1 Corinthians
    Gaucho 1: 1 Gremio
    Mineiro 1: 1 Cruzeiro
    [note: purportedly more decided by intra-club politics as actual performance by players]

    1970

    Paulista 11: 5 Santos, 2 Corinthians, 2 Palmeiras, 1 Portuguesa, 1 Sao Paulo
    Carioca 6: 3 Botafogo, 2 Fluminense, 1 Flamengo
    Mineiro 4: 3 Cruzeiro, 1 Atletico Mineiro
    Gaucho: 1: 1 Gremio


    That is quite a change compared with the 1940s, as expected and congruent with what I've personally read in history books (= Paulista league had increased in quality since the early/mid 50s). Of course, the heavy representation of the Santos football club has an effect on the numbers.
     
  3. Once

    Once Member+

    Apr 16, 2011
    Yes it does. Actually, the number of Paulista players not from Santos is rather unchanged throughout. There are less Carioca players in proportion due to the significant increase of players "provided" by the Santos team, which makes all the difference. There is always 6 or 7 Paulista players form other teams but Santos except in 1966 that had only 4.
     
  4. JoCryuff98

    JoCryuff98 Member+

    Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jan 3, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Tom Brady deserves to be mentioned. He’s the greatest and clutchest NFL player ever.
     
  5. maestri09

    maestri09 Member+

    Jun 14, 2006
    Toronto, Canada
    Club:
    Alianza Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    the only problem is that the NFL is not a "world game" (that I know of). It's not even an olympic sport. I think the concept of a "greatest athlete" is not just about their skill but also of the global reach of the sport he plays. It's why people consider guys like Pele, Michael Jordan, Usain Bolt, Roger Federer, in the category as opposed to a Joe Montana or Wayne Gretzky or a great indian cricket player who may have all the athletic skill and championships imaginable.
     

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