PBP Thread: France vs Peru, 21 June 2018 [R]

Oh yeah, you're right, I forgot about Germany in this cycle.

Then another viacrucis.

Maybe someone can convince Qatar to host 48 nations? I mean, it's not like they don't have money to do it.

 

The only real change is that Peru has some WC prize money to invest back in their system. If the management does its job well (and there's a lot of confidence in the federation right now) Peruvian soccer can grow to be better than ever.

as for competition, it'll be the same as usual: every country in South America thinking they're better than their neighbour, melodramas, politics, cheating, etc. etc.

 

Do that research yourself.

This issue was settled since the 2006 WC.

Why would Peru have any advantage ?

 

A team already assembled following an idea and with experience putting it in practice, has an advantage over those sides in a replacement cycle (more so when the replacement players aren't at the same level as the previous ones).

Although it remains to be seen if Gareca wants to continue. If not, it's a question mark.

 

Only thing put in practice till now, is how easily they flop.

Peru has always played beautiful, but as always, has a real hard time getting the required results.

Besides, Peru's current front line, depends a lot on their 2 top forwards, Farfan (33) and Guerrero (34), whom most likely, will soon hang their boots (with no replacement players at their level coming).

Only reason why other teams might be going through a re-cycling process of players, is that they are not playing at the WC, so they are not losing time for the next WC cycle, and preparing themselves.

 

And once again an unsubstantiated opinion from a side who didn't qualify to the WC. I wonder how getting trashed several times in WCq, barely saving the neck to Denmark and losing to Romania, puts that side in equal terms with Peru at this point.

Copa America is next year, and the WCq the year after. All those teams need to find the players, the idea to suit them, learn and practice its proper execution, and some a coach as well. And is not 1–2 years of steady practice, but a week or so every 2–4 months.

Of course Peru has an advantage over them at this point.

 

A couple of things here :

This opinion is not from a side that didn't qualify to the WC, but exclusively mine.

And about it being unsubstantiated, well everybody saw how Peru flopped against Denmark, flopped against France, and also as how one of their players flopped in front of a penalty kick, kicking the ball directly to the moon.

Besides, it's not for nothing, but our team won both of last 2 Copa Americas, (beating in one of them, Peru in the semi's, the same way as we beat them again for both WC qualifier matches home and away), and also imposed our terms and made it all the way to the final match of last Confed cup, last year.

At last, as I also mentioned before, this peruvian team has many aging players, whom are lots older, than most of the players of other teams within Conmebol.

With this in mind, I can't see how Peru could have any advantage.
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Anyhow, although you can't convince others, you are entitled to have your own opinion as wishful thinking is for free.

 

This thread should about teams playing in the World Cup, not about teams that failed to get there.

 

Sure, that is what is suposed to be, but as some posters keep on speaking about how superior their teams can be on relation to the teams not in the WC, they will get replies related to it.

The suggestion here, is to stick to the WC and whatever happens in it, and avoid even mentioning the teams that didn't make it, as almost all of them may have their say as well.

 

Calling it flopping is harsh. Only three players are aging out of international contention and they've already got backups chomping at the bit.

Anyway we don't know what will happen from here. One of you two is getting egg in your face I don't know why you're entertaining the conversation. We'll find out what actually happens June 2019 and October 2021.

 

3 out of 23. That's the number of players with 2–3 more years. Doesn't qualify as "many".

But yeah, a team in competition, following an idea and with 20 out of 23 players in condition to participate in the next WC, sure has an advantage over teams which aren't playing, don't know which players to include, have no coach, etc., etc.

And back to the WC, Peru's line–up has over 500 caps, and over 300 under Gareca. It gives an edge over Australia, if only for the experience following the same idea under the same management.

 

It may sound harsh, but it is true.
2 straight defeats against teams ranked similar to them, is nothing but a bad overall result.

For the records here, I also wanted Peru to have a good WC (even predicted they would be going through to the next stage), but also got decieved as how things have turned out.

About the aging players in the peruvian squad, not only Guerrero and Farfan are old timers, Rodriguez is also 34 (these 3 among the backbone of the current squad), and among others whom have recently played for them (at qualifiers), but weren't listed in the WC squad, Lobatón is 38 and Butron is 41, which means that they also have the same problems as other Conmebol teams do.

 

Where did you get the idea, that teams not playing in the WC, aren't competing or even not playing ?

C'mon, even Bolivia has played, and will be playing a few friendly matches in this time. Only diference regarding them is that they are not playing at the WC, but they are playing where they can.

This point of yours, which suposedly gives your team advantages, is a fallacy,

 

Lobatón and Butron? Lobatón has been out of the squad forever, and Butron was an emergency call up and got injured an dropped anyway.

Like I said, three players. Two vye for the same spot and Rodriguez has a couple of defenders waiting to displace him. The argument can be made we're on the verge of losing our best player and centre forward, and I'll agree with that. But our midfield has been slowly taking over and we have some young players ready to fight the 9 spot. As they continue to develop we have two more years of prime Guerrero given his playstyle.

 

Lobaton played in 7 of last qualifiers, (all from first half of Peru's WC qualifier campaign)

And about Butron, he was called back at the team, when Gallese got injured, because Peru really had no one else, and only due to the circumstances you described, is that other goalkeepers were used, instead.

Anyhow, I was very clear saying that they weren't in the current WC squad, and only mentioned them as being recent call ups for the squad.

At last, about Guerrero, remember he still has to deal with the ban imposed on him for his recent doping issue, as he was only given a special exemption by FIFA, so he could play in this WC. By the time he finishes to serve his ban time, he will be 35 years old, and we will see if he is still up to play at prime level.

 

Yeah but recent callups with no real hope of being called upon again is my point It's not a relevant age problem, they're already out of national team contention. That was Butrons last shot, fourth keeper is now Penny. And Lobaton has at least 8 center mids in front of him today.

 

Venezuela, Paraguay and Ecuador are not playing. AFAIK, Ecuador doesn't have a coach, and I believe is the same with the other two. As for Bolivia, they had so much problems signing a friendly that had to play twice with Curaçao... drawing one and losing the other; and lets not speak about their other results.

By the way, 2+2=4. Lets see your next post saying it isn't so.

 

You should do a better homework. For starters, the GK position isn't affected by age in the same way as others, and Butrón was called as 3rd GK. Gallese's sub is Cáceda, and in the next process the 3rd will likely be Duarte.

As for Lobatón and others, when Gareca took the NT he had to rely on the players Markarian left him. That was 2015. By 2016, Gareca revamped the whole squad by using players from the local league. It looked as nonsense, but he had analyzed each one for over a year, and proved to be right.

On Guerrero's position... it may pass a long time until we have another forward like him, but Da Silva (21) looks promising. He has played for PSV and Grêmio (won the Libertadores with it), and is on loan to Argentinos Juniors at the moment.