Paul Arriola at Swansea City (on loan from DC United)

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  1. mike4066

    mike4066 Member+

    Jun 30, 2007
    Chula Vista, CA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That would probably depend on if he plays any national team matches.
     
  2. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Arriola talks about his decision to sign with Tijuana

    Link here
     
  3. ttujosh

    ttujosh Member

    Mar 9, 2003
    Dallas, Tx
    Ya I don't see the big deal here, when really LAG have hardly had this kid in their program, and on the flipside, absolutely poached Villareal. Good for the kid having options, welcome to the rest of the world where you have to fight for the best players. The future discussions on how to solve getting more talented kids into MLS squads and giving them an actual place to develop, not a half hearted reserve team schedule, is going to be the key part of all this I think.
     
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  4. JG

    JG Member+

    Jun 27, 1999
    There's FIFA-mandated training compensation. See Annexe 4 on pages 60-64:
    http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/aff.../95/83/85//regulationsstatusandtransfer_e.pdf

    The US doesn't participate in this system, apparently with the informal blessing of FIFA, see this for example:
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/paul...-case-fifas-stuttering-response/2690768388524

    One can easily see why the training compensation setup is legally and morally questionable, but the mechanism does exist.
     
  5. Testudo

    Testudo Member+

    Jan 29, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not surprised :thumbsup:
     
  7. Germerica

    Germerica Member+

    May 2, 2012
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Will be traveling to Portugal with the U18MNT on Thursday
     
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  8. Testudo

    Testudo Member+

    Jan 29, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. Testudo

    Testudo Member+

    Jan 29, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A little more detail on how the Gals lost the recruiting battle for Arriola to Xolos:

    '“I think a lot of Californians are coming over and asking for tryouts,” stated [Alejandro] Guido. “A lot of scouts from Xolos are going out there – to parts all over California to recruit players.”
    One of those was Club Tijuana’s new American youth signing Paul Arriola, whom Guido gave advice when he was deciding whether to sign for the LA Galaxy or Tijuana.
    “I told him I loved it here,” said Guido. “I told him about my experience, what it is like living here, my daily routine, my plans according to the institution....”'
    http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/artic...o-bears-down-after-us-u-20-disappointment-say
     
  10. CASportsDev

    CASportsDev New Member

    Jul 2, 2013
    Northern California
    So here's the issue with Arriola. The Galaxy arent the only club eligible for Training Compensation, so are his youth clubs - Arsenal FC and Chula Vista Rangers. FIFA allows soccer clubs to negotiate between themselves not to pay training compensation, which is what it looks like MLS does when it signs players like Mwanga. But USSF is not exempt unless FIFA comes out and says it, so there is no reason youth clubs who lose players to MLS clubs who then sign abroad would not be able to demand training compensation.

    As to the issue of pay-to-play, very few clubs in the world pay for all the player's training expenses so it's not unique to US Soccer and is contemplated in the training compensation rules. FIFA allows the training compensation fee to be adjusted to match the club's actual investment in training the players. So any US clubs that can demonstrate any investment in training a player who become subject to training compensation rules is eligible to collect, regardless of whether MLS chooses to or not. Canada uses it, and there system is basically identical to ours.
     
  11. Mario Balotelli

    Mario Balotelli Member+

    United States
    Feb 28, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Arriola came on as a second half sub and scored Tijuana's final goal in a 5-2 preseason victory over Club America.

    From Xolos' twitter:
    "Arriola scores from just outside the 18-yard box, sending a volley into the left corner of the net in the 54th minute.

    American Greg Garza started for Xolos as well as [possible] Yank Bruno Piceno.
     
  12. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still not surprised.:cool::thumbsup:
     
  13. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Were there any riots?
     
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  14. Germerica

    Germerica Member+

    May 2, 2012
    Club:
    Los Angeles
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  15. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nice goal. Can't say I like the new haircut, though.
     
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  16. autobus39

    autobus39 Member+

    Jun 28, 2006
    Scranton, PA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Paul Arriola is on the bench for Club Tijuana for their Apertura opener. Game starts at 10:30 pm eastern. It will be televised on ESPN Deportes, Azteca America, and live on espn3.com in Hawaii.

    Game thread
     
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  17. autobus39

    autobus39 Member+

    Jun 28, 2006
    Scranton, PA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Paul Arriola coming on for his first team professional debut in the 61st minute.
     
  18. NatsTeamFan

    NatsTeamFan Member

    May 9, 2011
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    I don't even want to ask this since it's literally his first appearance, but I assume this guy holds Mexican citizenship, any interest from either side? Quite impressive that Tijuana are giving him minutes in the first game of the season at 18.
     
  19. Germerica

    Germerica Member+

    May 2, 2012
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    If you're asking whether Paul counts as a Mexican according to FMF/LigaMX rules, I believe the answer would be yes.
     
  20. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    He's third-generation. Qualified for a passport thru his Mexican grandparents and didn't get the passport till he signed with Xolos and he got it to not count as a foreigner (and probably to make it easier going to work every day).

    He's also lived in the US all his life and played with US YNTs.

    My point is, that while he has Mexican heritage, he is pretty damn American. I also can't imagine it going over well in Mexico if El Tri showed interest in him. It's one thing for them to go after kids who have Mexican parents or who were born in the US but spent a lot of time growing up in Mexico. I can't see them going after someone quite so American and so barely Mexican.
     
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  21. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still not surprised!:thumbsup:

    I don't think he can play for Mexico BTW. I believe that he is captied to the US, since he played in a FIFA youth tournament before he was eligible to play for Mexico.
     
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  22. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Oh my, that's a very nice ball.


    They'd find a way to justify it to their fans, who would justify it to themselves.
     
  23. Goodbye Orbit

    Goodbye Orbit Member

    Nov 28, 2012
    First generation Mexican- American reporting in. How can you tell us apart from the 3rd and so on generations? I need to know the secret!
     
  24. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    My secret is I can read. I try not to make a presumption one way or the other till I read about it. And for matters not pertaining about sport, I don't care as it doesn't impact how I treat or feel about people.
     

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