Ah, the neverending saga of lies and myths. Pat Tillman,the ex-NFL player who volunteered for Ranger duty in Afghanistan, was killed not by enemy fire, but by extremely negligent friendly fire - leading to disciplinary action for his team. CNN/Wash Post has more on the incident that lead to his death. http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/05/tillman.friendly.fire.ap/index.html I respect Pat Tillman's choice. I respect the work our military does. I hate the whole culture of spreading lies and mistruths about what happens in war - how certain incidents seem heroic, but a year later, when the lies are discarded, the truth is plain and ugly. I hate the liars, and I hate the sheep who swallow these lies hook, line, and sinker, and perpetuate them. And I hate the people who get all upset and belligerant when confronted with any evidence that our military is not some GI Joe kiddee tv show. Well, RIP Pat Tillman. At least you gave your life in Afghanistan, against the real enemy, instead of being killed by stupid mistakes on the ground in another war that was nothing but a series of stupid mistakes by your civilian bosses.
How noble of you!! How morally upright!! How high and mightly. Meanwhile, what's happened? The truth comes out. Why? Because we live in a country where truth CAN come out. Tell you what. Here's what I despise. I despise the negative pessimists like you who assume things are so awful when, in fact, we should be thankful that the truth gets revealed. Carry on.
I really don't understand what you're trying to say here. Is it that our gratitude at finally learning the truth should negate our rage at being lied to in the first place?
We weren't lied to, he was killed in action. That's what everyone thought had happened. It was reported within a day that he was killed battling the Taliban, well they were battling them except they weren't the ones who killed him. After such incidents the military debriefs the unit to get the entire story. The Army changed the status of Tillman's death a month after the incident ocurred, you can't blame them for "perpetrating a lie". They did a thorough investigation and published their account of what happened, it's not something that happens over night.
We should take what we're offered from our betters, Barb, and be happy when what we're offered, every now and then, ISN'T sh!t.
more detailed info http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...washpost/20041206/ts_washpost/a37679_2004dec5 hey Karl - I'm ever so sorry that my rose-colored glasses cracked and rained on your victory parade.
Lying is OK, as long as the lies come from "our" liar. If it comes from "your" liar, it is treason. Given Tillman's commitment and bravery, you'd think his story always deserved the truth.
Why does the fact that he was killed by "friendly" fire in a gunfight with the Taliban make him any less a hero for foregoing his NFL career and millions to join the Army? To me it makes no difference. Every soldier that dies serving this country is a hero in my mind. Regardless of the cause of death.
So naturally, in your black and white world, you hate truth and love liars then? Thanks for clearing that up. Says a lot about you. By the way, when is your Las Vegas debut of Sheryl Crow covers, dedicated to your glorius leader? "Lie to me, I promise I'll believe Lie to me, but please don't leave" can I get some tickets, or at least a complimentary upgrade at the buffet?
And if you feel that way, then you might wonder "Why not just tell us the truth?" Why lie? Jessica Lynch, Tillman...it might make a reasonable person wonder what else is being lied about. Unless of course, no lie makes any difference. Where do you draw the lying line?
Flash everybody!! This just in. Getting at the truth can be very hard. Some folks lie; some folks omit; some folks don't come forward right away. Sometimes, getting at the truth takes time. But in DJ's and Mel's black and white world, it's all about the moral turpitude of those who they disagree with, or those who participate in situations they object to. Folks, this is one reason, among many, you will continue to lose elections and not have any power.
I, myself, was wondering what all the hub-bub was about. I think it was within a week that it was reported that "firendly fire" was the cause of death. Hell, I thought someone had dredged up an old thread before I read it.
Thank you. You beat me to it. Actually, IIRC, this was reported within a day or 2 of the announcement of his death. Again, I am glad for a country that allows this freedom and I respect all of those who serve their country but especially Pat Tillman. It is disgusting to me that some people used this event to take a political position, especially when they are quickly shown to be jumping to a conclusion that never happened. On a day when professional athletes are deservedly coming under criticism for bad choices in their lives, we don't hear enough about those who perform courageous acts, even when those acts go as unpublicized as working with kids in their local neighborhoods.
I guess this thread just goes to show that people will bitch about anything, even when it's old news.
I am so pissed at James K. Polk right now. Turns out "Manifest Destiny" wasn't fair to Native Americans!
I do not see anything from that six-month old article that the new information shows to be dishonest. I also do not think it is unreasonable for full details to take a few months to materialize. It is just a very sad story for everyone involved. I would guess there are a few young men, who relive those events everyday, and will likely struggle the rest of their lives with the consequences of their mistakes. I wish them luck finding peace.
Of course, this sensible and appropriate attitude leaves no room for the "high-minded" moral outrage of DJ and Mel--except on BS, where they can let their smug self-righteousness flourish unabated, without any understanding of the broader implications. But then again, the two of them bring new meaning to the word "narrow."