PBP: P01135809 Trump Espionage, Coup, Conspiracy, Racketeering, Fraud & Obstruction Trial Thread

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What will be the outcome?

  1. Guilty

  2. Not guilty

  3. Pardons himself

  4. Goes into exile in Snowden's flat

  5. Some other fascism

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  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    ********, he should just post them at the houses of the various 9 justices.
     
  2. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    He doesn’t have it. And he has no legal means to get it. EJC is about to start forcing the sale of assets.

     
  3. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States

    So he's NOT a "bee-yon-aire?" Imagine that!

    E. Jean Carroll Tower is gonna look great. Maybe she'll rent that bum a cardboard box for the alley.

    Oh wait. NYC doesn't have alleys.
     
  4. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
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    France

    Offer him a job as a bell boy.
     
  5. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Seattle Sounders
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    United States
    I think the issue is that Trump's wealth is the Trump Org, which he uses as a personal slush fund to pay for his lifestyle. Trump doesn't own any of the property he stays at, Trump Org does and him living at the property is part of his executive pay package. That's also likely to make things more difficult for Carroll's lawyers to get her money. They will have to pierce the corporate shield to get access to the Trump Org's assets.
     
  6. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    kaplan seemed to be pretty confident she was going to get EJC paid
     
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  7. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Who gets paid first? Because there isn’t going to be enough left after they liquidate all his properties and pay off his lenders to pay both EJC and the state of NY.
     
  8. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Cascarino's Pizzeria BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    "Jared - get MBS on the phone. I'm outta options"
     
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  9. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    One of the lawyer teams I listen to seemed to suggest it is based on filing order. That said, these are two different cases we are talking about, and E Jean Carroll I had a due date sooner than the Trump Org Fraud case.
     
  10. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
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    I didn’t say it would be impossible, just that it will be more difficult. They aren’t going to be able to stroll up to Trump Tower, slap a E Jean Carroll Tower banner on it and call it good. The lawsuit was against Trump the person, not the Trump Organization. Those are, technically, two different entities.. Or, at least, they should be. I'm assuming the Trump Org is a corporation, which legally separates the owner from the business.

    It's the same issue that the Sandy Hook families had with Alex Jones. He had insulated himself from his businesses in a number of shell corporations, before they could get to the money, they had to pierce the corporate shell and show that Alex Jones and his corporation(s) were one and the same. Once they had done that, they were able to get involved in his bankruptcy and have now recommended liquidating his empire so they can get money.
     
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  11. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    I think it is complicated, but similar. If we are talking about a liquidation, the first people in line would be the creditors. The amount of debt that an asset has impacts its value. I don't think that means someone can load up an asset with debt after a ruling, but creditors do get paid prior to settlements.
     
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  12. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    As part of the NY fraud case, there is a court appointed monitor overseeing the Trump organization. He found a $50 million debt that Trump owes to one of this companies, Chicago Unit Acquisition. The thing is - this loan never existed. What appears to have happened is that in 2008 Trump was in a massive hole from his Chicago projects and one of the firms he was dealing with cancelled half of a $100 million loan made to him. But Trump didn't want to pay taxes on that $50 million windfall so he invented this new debt out of thin air.

    I wonder how much interest and penalties there are on a 16 year old unpaid tax bill. I hope we get to find out.
     
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  13. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

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    And how many others like that one are out there?
     
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  14. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey


    Please force him to sell bedminster first. I’ve heard great things about the course and get multiple invites a year to play it. Pretty please
     
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  15. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    I believe that is legalese for "F**k you, pay up".
     
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  16. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Oh…and before our local dipshits show up…no carol doesn’t get the money. It’s held in escrow by the court until his appeals are exhausted. And you can use google to find out what escrow means. And dilatory.
     
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  17. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Cascarino's Pizzeria BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Say hi to Ivana for me. She's behind the putting green.
     
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  18. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Aug 22, 2001
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    Carroll has said she does not care about the money and will donate all of it. She only wanted Trump to experience consequence for his actions.
     
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  19. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
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    That's only true if Trump appeals. If Trump fails to pay his bond and file an appeal by next week, Carroll's lawyers can start seizing Trump's assets up to the $83.3 million judgement.
     
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  20. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey


    I realize this is the stretchiest of stretches but…man…if EJC and Tish James can somehow end up bankrupting the RNC I would….on second thought…I probably won’t post what would happen to me because it would be gross and TMI (in a good way)
     
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  21. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    He apparently just posted bond. I’ll be honest I didn’t think he’d be able to. Looks like someone (Musk? Putin?) just decide to light $90 million on fire.
     
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  22. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
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    An insurance company underwrote the bond so I'm guessing someone dependable fronted the money.
     
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  23. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
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    So that's what kind of fascist she is.
     
  24. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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  25. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    “Some day, and that day may never come, I might ask you for a favor.”
     
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