PBP: P01135809 Trump Espionage, Coup, Conspiracy, Racketeering, Fraud & Obstruction Trial Thread

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by The Jitty Slitter, Jun 10, 2023.

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What will be the outcome?

  1. Guilty

  2. Not guilty

  3. Pardons himself

  4. Goes into exile in Snowden's flat

  5. Some other fascism

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  1. Yoshou

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    #6026 Yoshou, Mar 1, 2024
    Can you provide evidence that this is a majority view?
     
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    #6029 Cascarino's Pizzeria, Mar 1, 2024
    Which ones?
     
  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    #6030 The Jitty Slitter, Mar 1, 2024
    Joyce Vance also pessimistic.

    The Court is clearly trying to take as much time as possible over something that should be expedited in order to prevent the trial this year.

    Absolutely corrupt.
     
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  6. Yoshou

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    #6031 Yoshou, Mar 1, 2024
    Anyone got a good live tweet thread of today's Willis hearing? I'm seeing a lot of single quotes that seem to indicate that the phone records don't actually show a lot of interaction between Willis and Wade and/or the PI screwed up and said certain records show Wade's phone was where Willis lived, but, in reality, she didn't live there at the time.



    I'm also seeing that Willis's lawyer was absolute sh*t today and may have screwed up so badly that he may have turned what should have been a slam dunk into a close call that could either way.

     
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    #6032 marek, Mar 1, 2024

     
  8. soccernutter

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    #6033 soccernutter, Mar 1, 2024
    Everybody should lusten to the recent episode. What is said above doesn't cover all the mess SCOTUS is creating. I'm now convinced that this case no chance to be heard before the election. McCord says best case - the absolutely best case - is September, and is insanely streamlined.
     
  9. soccernutter

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    #6034 soccernutter, Mar 1, 2024
    You say that as you seem to approve of casual political violence. Most here don't, and we have long said itcis unacceptable. So long that we don't need to do it anymore to the few make those snarky comments. But you make excuses for political violence, or the promotion of, as it has, does, and will happen by your boy and your fellow supporters.
     
  10. marek

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    #6035 marek, Mar 1, 2024
    You ever get tired of making baseless accusations against people who disagree with you and weak excuses for the violence and vulgarity?
     
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    #6036 Cascarino's Pizzeria, Mar 1, 2024
    You're describing Trump, bruh. Not Nutter
     
  12. marek

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    #6037 marek, Mar 1, 2024
    Trump is not here
    Trump does not post on BS

    you do
    so does SN
     
  13. roby

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    #6038 roby, Mar 1, 2024
    One of life's miracles! :)
     
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    #6039 soccernutter, Mar 1, 2024
    You plan on voting for Trump again? Yes?
     
  15. marek

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    #6040 marek, Mar 1, 2024
    what, you’re a poll worker now?
    want my ID?
     
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    #6041 Cascarino's Pizzeria, Mar 1, 2024
    No. But Putey might.
     
  17. The Jitty Slitter

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    #6042 The Jitty Slitter, Mar 2, 2024
    Ok. The sun is shining and I've recovered from my very real anger about all of this.

    Fck the fascists.

    In the nicest possible way, we can't analyse a decision where you aren't quoting the terms of the actual judgement but are talking about something unrelated that the Judges did not specifically rule on. Especially you are conflating the concept of blanket presidential immunity (which has always been believed not to exist in the US) vs whether a president can be prosecuted for exercising his war powers.

    First the OLC opinions don't say the president has immunity. They just say he can't be indicted while in office. This was the whole rationale for the Mueller report - he handed an obstruction case on a platter for the day the president left office. This is how DOJ has always understood it - see Nixon.

    Marcy is conflating things here. Obama does not need some special new blanket immunity for this completely different situation. I am not an expert on this stuff, but the president has quite broad prerogative in relation to war powers and national defence that DOJ will not mess with, nor can a Court review. This is the same as how it's not murder for Biden to order air strikes of the Houthis. That has nothing to so with the current case.



    Right - arguably he could be charged with that.

    The court specifically dealt with your argument here. It is crucial that the president does not have a blanket immunity for official acts on the outer perimeter of his duties - otherwise he could torture domestic enemies with impunity. Criminal Jeopardy needs to exist so that he takes the legal advice and balances constitutional factors vs national interest etc.

    The fact that Bush has not been prosecuted for that should indicate that the president already has more than enough practical protections without needing to become an unaccountable king.
     
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    #6043 roadkit, Mar 2, 2024
    He also can't distinguish between posts that are actual "murder fantasies" and snarky, tongue-in-cheek examples of how absurdly partisan this SCOTUS decision is. It was the Courts that started the ST6 "fantasy."
     
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    #6044 ElNaranja, Mar 2, 2024
    Not that I have positive feelings for the SC, but what in the post he quoted made him believe I was talking about violence? I corrected a factual error about cert.

    Trump fans really can't read.
     
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    #6045 The Jitty Slitter, Mar 2, 2024
    I mean he literally supports political coup violence and then is the civility police on the internet
     
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    #6046 rslfanboy, Mar 2, 2024
    He’s conflating roadkit with everyone else.
     
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    #6047 The Jitty Slitter, Mar 2, 2024
    Though it would be fun if Biden laid some fascism just for once.
     
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    #6048 The Jitty Slitter, Mar 2, 2024
    I listened to Leah Litman (who Yoss recommends) on PSA today.

    She echoed McCord but with even grimmer calculations. As she says, Trump's pleading is absurd and the Court of Appeals is obviously correct. She believes Trump will lose. The whole point though, is to scupper the trial by delaying into the summer.
     
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    #6049 soccernutter, Mar 2, 2024
    McCord was even more dire than that. She said that SCOTUS could cause a repetitive process of appeals on five different points, each being sent back to Chutkan and having to go through the appeals process. Her hedging best case scenario is that the trial starts in September. But both her and Wiessmann really seemed to think it would be after the election.
     
  25. diablodelsol

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    #6050 diablodelsol, Mar 2, 2024
    SCOTUS believes that if they can delay the trial verdicts until after the election…he can win. They know his VP will be chosen based on their agreement to pardon him when he resigns some point during his second term.

    That way they can get what they want…a Republican presidency…while still ruling against his immunity claims so that they don’t provide that power to a Dem president.

    Thats it. That’s the game.
     
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