PBP: P01135809 Trump Espionage, Coup, Conspiracy, Racketeering, Fraud & Obstruction Trial Thread

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by The Jitty Slitter, Jun 10, 2023.

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What will be the outcome?

  1. Guilty

  2. Not guilty

  3. Pardons himself

  4. Goes into exile in Snowden's flat

  5. Some other fascism

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  1. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Near the mountains.
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    They also did a lot of money laundering. Trump, himself, was investigated (not just management), and I think settled on a fine and selling the place, though had to be "reminded" to sell. Back when Trump, Inc podcast was still being made, they had a really good episode on Trump and Atlantic City.
     
  2. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    He was right of course. That's why we can all still fly the Trump Shuttle to New York.
     
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  3. soccernutter

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    Can...but will?
     
  4. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    You can always hop on a JetBlue and dream of golden lavatories, sexy Eastern European ladies and champagne service
     
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  5. Cris 09

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    I like JetBlue a lot and it has become my preferred airline for the Carib, Mexico and Latin America.
     
  6. ElNaranja

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    Are these the same observers, reporters, and analysts who refused to look into the decades of corruption at the SC?
     
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  7. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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    Joe Biden needs to make an announcement:

    "The fact the SCOTUS has decided to hear this case is clearly an attempt to keep Trump from facing justice. The only reason they have for taking the case is because there is a majority that believes the idea the President has total immunity has merit. So be it. If that is their ruling, I have the Seal Team 6 order ready. They are all dead justices walking."
     
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  8. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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    It's the Tesla of social media!
     
  9. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

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    Correction:....there is a plurality that believes the idea....

    Only need 4 votes to take a case. And I don't think we know how many votes are ever taken for cert on any case. Just at least 4.
     
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  10. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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  11. roby

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    Which ones? :whistling:
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  12. marek

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    it has become necessary to destroy democracy to save it
     
  13. Yoshou

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    Yeah.... That's a really dumb comment.
     
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  14. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    By all means, please elaborate
     
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  15. Sounders78

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    Republicans are certainly doing their best to destroy it. Problem is, their solution is someone who has declared his love for dictatorships. Doesn't sound like saving it is part of the plan.

    By the way, did you watch the unedited Biden interview with Seth Meyer? Definitely no dementia there.
     
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  16. Deadtigers

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    No one has to tell Trollito to be a dick and Uncle Ruckus loves Trump like Sam Jackson Character in Django loved DiCaprio. I mean all the Republicans are hacks. Beer Boy, The Handmaiden, PRoberts and Gorsucks are where they because they don't believe in Democracy.
     
  17. Deadtigers

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  18. roby

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    Gary Oldman and Jean Reno are 2 of my favorites. Natalie Portman was great in her 1st ever role. Apparently there was much criticism about the film....I must have watched a different version. :coffee:
     
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  19. The Jitty Slitter

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    he supports the guy who did a coup!
     
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    Fascist Hellscape
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    Started listening to Weissmann's update on all this but I can tell from his tone that I need to be in the right headspace for it.

    I've noted before that it is hugely depressing for anyone who has dedicated their life to the law to have to deal with this absurd level of corruption and bad faith from the highest court in the land - especially after what happened on Mueller.

    I remember in the olden days back in the 90s when one would read analysis of controversial decisions and epic law review articles about how they should be challenged etc - but this is all not that. What's coming out of the SC is hot garbage.

    I had though they might delay a bit before dismissing this, but now I think they actually might blow the case up.
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
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    The Weissmann news is worse than I was expecting

    Basically both Judge Chutkin and the Appeals Court found that former POTUS never has criminal immunity for his acts. So it was unnecessary for the court to consider whether Trump could have been acting within his official duties for any of his alleged coup acts

    The Supreme Court has allowed appeal arguments on this exact question. Why this is bad, is basically they could rule that the president can be immune if he was exercising his official duties, then send it back to Chutkin to consider on that basis. She would then find he wasn't acting in his duties, then Trump could appeal it all over again.

    Obviously the SC should not open up this door, but if they do, it could lead to another new appeal loop.

    In short, it feels like they either killed the case, or Jack Smith will have to stream line his case to fit in a compressed time frame.

    When you remember that Chutkin stayed this case way back in December, and that it may now not even go to trial before the election ... go figure.

    I do think Chutkin should say she doesn't care if there will be an election midstream and just hold the trial anyway - you don't get time off your crime trial for campaigning.

    But yeah - sad day really.
     
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  22. Sounders78

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    Remember all those people who said that once he has criminal convictions he will lose support? I've not been holding my breath. I'm sure it's what Haley has been banking on, but the decision has really put an end to the slim hope she has.
     
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  23. The Jitty Slitter

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    I was discussing this with a friend as regards the rising german fascism and we both had the view that it is actually better for the state to act with decisive force early - even if putting civil rights questions into play - because if you wait until the fascists have too much power, they will pervert the legal system for the fascist cause.

    Joe will look awfully stupid when he gets voted out, then Trump ends democracy.

    Should have used power when he had it.
     
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  24. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

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    But in the meanwhile Trump is getting closer to the time he needs.
    Then all this won’t matter because Trump will replace the DOJ with his sycophants.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/28/poli...ex.html?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc
     
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  25. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
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    Yup! Too little, too late. Off to Gitmo.
     
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