PBP: P01135809 Trump Espionage, Coup, Conspiracy, Racketeering, Fraud & Obstruction Trial Thread

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Um, who's getting the money? My question was what happens if they couldn't come up with the money and I'm not talking about Trump?

 

That's a giant assumption on your part. This isn't a criminal case but a civil case using a law that's never went after someone for this reason. Every person who buys any type of real estate better think twice if this stands.

 

With no right to appeal if they can't put up the money for the judgement. Yes

 

Don't believe OJ ever paid that to the family. He went to jail for something else.
Correction, he has paid $133,000 of 50 million.

 

Should somebody mention the word "escrow" sometime here, just so's it is clear that the money isn't being held by Hunter Biden or Mike Lindell during the appeal.

The idea is to prevent Trump and his lawyers from spending it all on hookers and blow, and then saying "gee, it was just here" when the appeal fails.

 

That doesn't answer the question of what happens in the future if another person can't come up with the escrow but would have won an appeal? There is no real victim here and if he loses, this money isn't going to the bank who would supposedly been the victim if fraud.

 

Cool but last night they reported not one case has ever been tried for these circumstances. The bank would be the victim that would file the claim. Can you link to one with the state going after someone in real estate for over valuing their assets and paying back the loan being prosecuted?

 

With this ruling you now have precedent to go after someone who over valued their wealth. Before it was left to the bank to come to an agreement. Now what happens if they don't have this money?
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6347320151112

 

It is fraud to knowingly provide the bank with an inaccurate estimate of their wealth. The fact that the bank has auditors that can downgrade their estimates does not mean it isn't fraud to knowingly file inacurate paperwork in the first place..

 

Perhaps nobody has ever been this obvious and stupid before? I mean, winning bigly!

 

@wantmlsphilly one element of the crime was that Trump tripled the size of his home in order to inflate its value and get a better interest rate. Tripled!

I doubt there are many homeowners on this thread that could make the same mistake by accident.

 

I thought Trump had claimed in his deposition that he had over $400m cash at his disposal, so the amount he needs for the appeal shouldn't be a problem as he would obviously have been completely honest.

 

Did you watch the video?

 

THIS ISN'T ABOUT TRUMP IT'S ABOUT THE PRECEDENT SET IN NEW YORK. Please stop going back to Trump. Kevin O'leary on CNN makes the argument how real estate developers do business. I really don't want the government involved when they are not the victim.

 

Exactly. This wasn't merely overvaluation by putting down a bigger $$ value on paper.

He repeatedly lied in official documents about the physical square footage of his NY property.

 

So it should only be down to people who can show that they have been specifically disadvantaged by criminal acts to take action? Aren't the government there to represent the people and ensure a level playing field?

 

Kevin O’Leary is the Shark Tank guy, right?

Since you saw the segment, how did he justify this? It feels to me like one rich guy made famous on reality TV supporting a peer.

Your argument here is that Trump is being singled out. First of all, well, he’s a life long criminal. That’s what happened to John Gotti too. Second of all, maybe he’s being single out, maybe he isn’t. I don’t know of others doing the same thing getting away with it. But it’s beyond doubt that IF THATS TRUE it’s the exact opposite if every other one of his cases, where he’s already have been convicted if he was Just a Guy.

 

Why would I watch a video on Fox News? A channel that is little more than a Republican propaganda channel, repeatedly lies about everything Trump related, etc, etc.

Have you read the ruling? The judge covers this in his ruling. Namely that the fraud is committed by knowingly including fraudulent information on the form they file with the bank. This is regardless of the bank catching the errors or not.

As for it setting a precedent.. Good. More corporations should be charged for lying on the forms they submit for loans.

 

Russian oligarch cash flow is at a crawl ATM. Donnie needs to stall.