Overpopulation: A problem or not?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by tfrunited, Jun 18, 2019.

  1. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    Really. You find that remotely amusing?

    btw - do you really know what the "pay" issue is about?
     
  2. roby

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    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Yeah...Money!

    Graham Allan, host of the “Dear America Podcast” said that “#EqualPay is stupid.” He explained that, “Women earned 13% of generated revenue for the World Cup/ Men earned 9%!! Men generated $9B in revenue/Women $73M hence more money for Men! It’s not about Gender!” :cautious:
     
  3. ceezmad

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    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The women want to get paid more per game but do not want to give up their guaranteed yearly contracts with USSF.

    Among other things.
     
  4. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    The pay-per-game is really a small part. They want all kinds of other things as well, like charter flights for games, same kinds of hotels as men, equivalent staff, and other thing which men have that the women do not.

    And as far as I have seen, the women bring in more income to USSF than the men. I forget where I saw it, but it was something lie 5% or 10% more. *

    The "pay" is really about equal treatment.

    *edit - skipped the tweet above. Hmmm
     
  5. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Many of these things they should get, but it won't be equal, The men's game is different, world cup qualifying is different, the types of tournaments that they play are different. So flights and hotels will not be equal.

    Staff, per-dims, clothing allowances and such will be equal I imagine.

    In some bullshit story that ignores most years and just concentrates in the time range when this happened and only regarding ticket revenue, ignoring other revenues.

    To be fair, I do think USSF will have a problem with TV revenue since this is sold as a bundle, it may become difficult to make the argument in court than the men generate more than half the interest for this revenue.

    If they sold the rights separately it would be easy to see (one way or the other), but since it is sold as one, I am thinking it will be difficult to prove it to a judge.

    It is not about equal, they say it in their lawsuit and in stories, they use similar and equitable.

    Because again equal treatment would mean no more USSF paid salaries for the top 18-24 NT players, they do not want to give up that goose egg.

    And if they did give it up it would fvck up the NWSL since this is a huge subsidy that women's football gets. So that would svck.
     
  6. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd don't by that as a solid argument. There are two teams run by the same organization with money from the same pool, one many time world champion (WC, Olys, Algrave Cup, etc) who is paid less than a team whose only international championship is in a regional cup.


    Actually, the numbers included not just tickets, but other items as well, such as merchandise, which surprised me.

    I don't blame them. But part of that is they were not being treated as full time professional soccer players when that started, yet were expected to be full time. Those not making sponsorship money were struggling to make ends meet while playing full time. There was more than one player who had difficulty holding down a consistent job because of national team commitments.

    This is changing. TV on ESPN is starting, and Budweiser just announced a multi-year sponsorship.
     
  7. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    You moderate a forum where many bits have been slaughtered discussing this. Given what I've read here, I would be excused for thinking you a completely different individual.
     
  8. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    As I recall, the MOU that amended the latest CBA has clauses that ensure that very thing.

    It's amazing that a mod in this area could be so poorly informed of the existence of such arguments, whether or not he buys them.

    This and SUM are very sticky things with no good answers.
     
  9. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    ESPN picked up the remainder of the season as a trial. Early returns are underwhelming.

    ESPN, however, could keep them alive almost indefinitely on the streaming app, where they have a metric ********ton of loss leading content already.
     
  10. roby

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    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Here are the attendance figures for the USWNT in 2018:

    1/21/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Denmark – SDCCU Stadium – 17,526
    3/1/18 – She Believes Cup – USA vs. Germany – Mapfre Stadium – 14,591
    3/4/18 – She Believes Cup – USA vs. France – Red Bull Arena – 25,706
    3/7/18 – She Believes Cup – USA vs. England – Orlando City Stadium – 12,351
    4/5/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Mexico – TIAA Bank Field – 14,360
    4/8/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Mexico – BBVA Compass Stadium – 15,349
    6/7/18 – Friendly – USA vs. China – Rio Tinto Stadium – 13,230
    6/12/18 – Friendly – USA vs. China – First Energy Stadium – 12,335
    7/26/18 – Tournament of Nations – USA vs. Japan – Children’s Mercy Park – 18,467
    7/29/18 – Tournament of Nations – USA vs. Australia – Pratt & Whitney Stadium – 21,570
    8/2/18 – Tournament of Nations – USA vs. Brazil – Toyota Park – 18,309
    8/31/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Chile – StubHub Center – 23,544
    9/4/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Chile – Avaya Stadium – 14,340
    10/4/18 – Women’s World Cup qualifier – USA vs. Mexico – WakeMed Soccer Park – 5,404
    10/7/18 – WWCQ – USA vs. Panama – WakeMed Soccer Park – 7,532
    10/10/18 – WWCQ – USA vs. Trinidad & Tobago – WakeMed Soccer Park – 3,996
    10/14/18 – WWCQ – USA vs. Jamaica – Toyota Stadium – 7,555
    10/17/18 – WWCQ – USA vs. Canada – Toyota Stadium – 6,986

    • Total Attendance: 253,151
    • Average Attendance: 14,064

    Here’s the 2018 USMNT attendance for home matches:

    1/28/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Bosnia & Herzegovina – StubHub Center – 11,161
    3/27/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Paraguay – WakeMed Soccer Park – 9,825
    5/28/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Bolivia – Talen Energy Stadium – 11,882
    9/7/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Brazil – MetLife Stadium – 32,489
    9/11/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Mexico – Nissan Stadium – 40,194
    10/11/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Colombia – Raymond James Stadium – 38,631
    10/16/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Peru – Pratt & Whitney Stadium – 24,959

    • Total Attendance: 169,141
    • Average Attendance: 24,163

    The 1994 Men's FIFA World Cup was the 15th edition of the FIFA World Cup, the world championship for men's national association football teams. It was hosted by the United States and took place from 17 June to 17 July 1994 at nine venues across the country. The United States was chosen as the host by FIFA on 4 July 1988. Despite the host nation's lack of soccer tradition, the tournament was the most financially successful in World Cup history; aided by the high-capacity stadiums in the United States, it broke the World Cup average attendance record with more than 69,000 spectators per game, a mark that still stands.[1][2] The total attendance of nearly 3.6 million for the final tournament remains the highest in World Cup history, despite the expansion of the competition from 24 to 32 teams (and from 52 to 64 games), which was first introduced at the 1998 World Cup and is the current format.

    We're comparing edible food to Chicago pizza! :whistling:
     
  11. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    The men should make minimum wage for 10 years for this

     
  12. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Minimum wage is still higher than the guaranteed money any of them makes (which is zero).
     
  13. roby

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    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Well, instead of guaranteed money they could always live lavishly on their performance bonuses! :rolleyes:
     
  14. Guardian of the Galaxy

    Dec 7, 2014
    Orange County, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The answer to overpopulation is to empower women. In patriarchal cultures, which are most of the countries where overpopulation is a problem, the women have very little rights and almost no access to a quality education. In countries where women have more rights and a chance at higher education, you see the fertility rates are much lower. It makes sense because women who achieve college degrees and go on to have careers will have less children than women who don't. So it's simple. To lower the fertility rate in those overpopulated countries, women need rights.

    Well, I know that's easier said than done, but there it is.
     
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  15. tfrunited

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    May 7, 2019
  16. Auriaprottu

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    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
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    Atlanta
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    --other--
    Butts in NWSL seats will change this. Club football is supposed to pay your living wage.
     
  17. soccernutter

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    Past Africa Cup of Nations Finals
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    • 2015 Ivory Coast 0-0 Ghana (Ivory Coast won 9-8 on penalties)
    • 2013 Nigeria 1-0 Burkina Faso
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    • 2004 Tunisia 2-1 Morocco
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    • 2000 Cameroon 2-2 Nigeria (Cameroon won 4-3 on penalties)
    • 1998 Egypt 2-0 South Africa
    • 1996 South Africa 2-0 Tunisia
    • 1994 Nigeria 2-1 Zambia
    • 1992 Ivory Coast 0-0 Ghana (Ivory Coast won 11-10 on penalties)
    • 1990 Algeria 1-0 Nigeria
    • 1988 Cameroon 1-0 Nigeria
    • 1986 Egypt 0-0 Cameroon (Egypt won 5-4 on penalties)
    • 1984 Cameroon 3-1 Nigeria
    • 1982 Ghana 1-1 Libya (Ghana won 7-6 on penalties)
    • 1980 Nigeria 3-0 Algeria
    • 1978 Ghana 2-0 Uganda
    • 1976 Morocco
    • 1974 Zaire 2-2 Zambia (Zaire won replay 2-0)
    • 1972 Congo 3-2 Mali
    • 1970 Sudan 3-2 Ghana
    • 1968 Congo DR 1-0 Ghana
    • 1965 Ghana 3-2 Tunisia (aet)
    • 1963 Ghana 3-0 Sudan
    • 1962 Ethiopia 4-2 United Arab Republic (aet)
    • 1959 United Arab Republic
    • 1957 Egypt 4-0 Ethiopia
     
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  18. roby

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    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    That's all well and good but you neglected to show the disparity of the populations of those countries. :whistling:
     
  19. tfrunited

    tfrunited Member

    May 7, 2019
  20. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    By definition overpopulation is a problem.

    Questions?
     
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  21. roby

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    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Why are more and more people freaking out about overpopulation? Wars and plagues have always done their part to keep things in check and there is little reason to think that would change. :)
     
  22. totti fan

    totti fan Red Card

    Jun 24, 2010
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    Based on neo-liberal logic population growth equals economic growth so by definition it's a good thing.
     
  23. Auriaprottu

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    Apr 1, 2002
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    Atlanta
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    --other--
    It's a prefix thing. If the world is overpopulated, there's obviously a problem.

    Fewer of either these days. Science has helped people live longer and be healthier overall. There's every reason not to engage in war, because nukes.
     
  24. roby

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    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Well....well....what about overbearing AUFC fans. If there ever was a reason!!! :ninja:
     
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