Olympic Qualifying Roster

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by Marcus OMalley, Feb 20, 2020.

  1. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ebobisse has shown me that he can lead the line in games that count. I always like a big boy if we have one to push the Central Americans around. I think your lineup lacks a bit of beef.
     
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  2. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Araujo was subseqently invited to January camp, which he was thrilled about. Though again he didn't play. That's what had led to the frustration from the last u20 WC.

    The main reason Araujo was benched was 1 or 2 performances where he didn't do so hot and lost trust. Feltscher had it built-in so he could afford those letdowns and maintain his place. In the playoffs GBS even opted to play Giancarlo Gonzalez out of position at rb instead of Araujo, simply because he was a vet. Giancarlo got burned and in turn GBS did as well. Horrid back-line choices in prime time.

    W/ the u23's, Julian could have at least rotated in at rb, and is versatile to be able to play a defensive rw they could need at times, or a destroyer 6, the type of which they don't have on a roster. Versatility is important in a tourney.

    Sight unseen, he probably wanted to go. LAG made a deal they'd release him for the U20 WC if they didn't have to here. Which is whack. It's over a year from now. Who knows if he'll even be w/ the Galaxy then or graduated from the youth teams. And he could have been in both: 1 youth tourney a yr.
     
  3. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I think they probably mean U20WCQing, which is in June 2020.

    I can understand the Galaxy saying they don't want to release a player for both the U20s and the U23s. They're paying his salary after all, and would like him to actually be available for them once in a while.

    Its kind of whether you want Araujo to be the leaders/star of the U20s or a rotation player for the U23s. There are positives/benefits to both options.
     
  4. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    All those elite Euro clubs we want to sign our players are global brands that aim to sell $150 shirts to fans in as many countries as possible. Couple that with all the corruption reports we've seen surrounding FIFA and the World Cup and I find it hard to cling to notions of righteousness.

    It's entertainment. If you don't like the big box options (which certainly include the senior national team in my opinion), go elsewhere.
     
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  5. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    MLS is trying to make money and one of the ways that they are investing is via their Academies, which generally benefits Americans. I think that they are too heavy-handed and are losing the most talented players but they'll adapt to what the market is telling them.

    When I think of prior generations, it's pretty clear to me that the entirety of our pool (well, a non-Berhalter pool) is above the Ralston line. In terms of controlling touch, you don't remember the 90s/00s period very well if you think they had better touch (I love Frankie but his technical skills were not particularly high). Players have far less time on the ball than back then as well.
     
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  6. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    #156 Clint Eastwood, Mar 11, 2020
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2020
    Shrug. I think there are understandable problems when you think about how Euro clubs operate. How many youngsters are in the Liverpool academy for each age group? How many are actually signed to first team contracts? Its an extremely small percentage. They sign a bunch to contracts, and kind of loan them around in a waiting game. Canadian youngster Liam Miller is an example of that. But the overwhelming majority of them never play for Liverpool. So there's only room at a developmental club like FCD for a few players in each age group. That means if there's 20 players on a U19 team each year, the majority of them are going to have to play elsewhere to advance.

    In essence, MLS academies are starting to become victims of their own success. Over time the league will continue to develop its reserve and youth leagues. And I think there are going to be a lot of changes to youth contracts.

    Sometimes you lose players and that's OK. FCD has a midfield loaded with homegrown U23 youngsters. But they also offered contracts to Weston McKennie and Chris Cappis. Both also eligible for the U23 team. You can't sign everybody.
     
  7. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll be shocked if the Olympics take place this summer.
     
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  8. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    shrug. You never answered my question on why it makes business sense to kick "leeches" out of the program even though the marginal cost is at most $15k per year (that's probably far overstated) and the upside is well into the hundreds of thousands.
     
  9. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    #159 Clint Eastwood, Mar 11, 2020
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2020
    Kids that have no interest in being FCD players shouldn't be at the FCD academy. This is the same for all MLS clubs, not just FCD. Nobody would ever suggest that Liverpool train players in their academy that have no interest in playing for Liverpool.

    So I'm 100% in favor of MLS clubs expelling any player that isn't committed to their club. No matter the quality. If its $15k or $100k....................its all money being flushed straight down the drain. Money that can be spent on kids that do want to be there.

    This isn't just my opinion. This is a growing trend within MLS academy leadership around the country. Kobe Hernandez, Bryang Kayo, etc. Don't want to sign for us? Want to sign in Europe? OK.............leave now. It doesn't matter how long they have until their 18th birthdays. Leave today.

    This is a direct result of clubs like the Galaxy investing in Mendez, Llanez, etc and losing them for nothing. That was all lost money. Not going to do that again with a player like Kobe Hernandez. Adios.
     
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  10. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    So if a player isn't willing to sign the most important five years of their development to the club, that means they aren't committed to the club? What if they want to be there until they turn 16 and then leave?

    I thought you said that MLS was run by businessmen. If they invest $15k and can get hundreds of thousands for that even if they don't want to be there, why wouldn't they do it?

    Let's assume that they don't spend that money - the marginal dollars saved would go to the 21st player in that year (the one who just didn't make the cut if all the best players stay). Are you saying that putting $15k in the much worse player is a better investment than a one-and-done with the better player?
     
  11. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    comparing liverpool to MLS is apples and oranges. How many Academy players at Reading would dream of moving to better teams?
     
  12. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Of course they do. Its just a difference in terms of the money. Let's consider the young 16-year old star Jude Bellingham at Birmingham City. In this past window ManUnited offered Birmingham 25 million pounds for him. That was rejected by Birmingham. [Imagine the outrage if MLS rejected that kind of bid.] City has kind of given up the ghost and will have to let him go in the next window.

    NYCFC had 16-yera old Gio Reyna leave for nothing to Dortmund. How much money did NYCFC lose Gio's father let him walk for nothing to Germany? Its not $15k.

    The situation is very unusual in MLS academies compared to the rest of the world. The overwhelming number of youngsters are available to the world on free transfers. This is NOT the case at a club like Reading. The kids can move to a bigger club, of course. But they can't just get up one morning and leave for that bigger club. MLS clubs have no protection for most of their investments. So when it becomes clear that a young player isn't going to sign for them and just leave when they're 18.........................what do we expect these clubs to do??

    I personally think we're going to see a lot of changes to the MLS academy structure over the next 5 years. The league wants MLS clubs to invest in their academies. OK, then they need to provide clubs an avenue to protect those investments. Roster rules, salary cap issues, USL roster/salary cap rules all get in the way. And yes, the problem is the same for USL clubs. Do people think San Antonio is investing in Gallegos so that he can leave on a free transfer at 18? What's the point for them??? People can't be that naive.
     
  13. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    What a disgusting attitude to have toward kids, but not surprised to see such an entitled attitude from MLS and its fans.

    You explained a couple posts ago that only a very small percentage of players would make it to the first team. Why would you expect a kid to give a full commitment with his life when the club isnt willing to do the same?

    These reactions toward Kobe, Bryang, etc is so shortsighted. It isnt surprising though as they have been leveraging their strength over players for 25 years. I thought the league unilaterally decided that they were finally interested in participating TC/SP? Doesnt that solve the problem. Even if it doesnt, why wouldn't they want to maintain a good relationship with the players while maintaining the quality of its youth programs?

    You consistently spam these threads about how great FCD is for US soccer, but it is clear these are at least secondary goals for the club. Again, they use their academy to get tons of other kids to pay to play under their umbrella. None of what they are doing is for any other reason than making them money.
     
  14. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    First, it’s not a free transfer - the club will get hundreds of thousands. They may rather have million but that’s not what’s on the table.

    If they really want to keep players and be more comparable to teams in other leagues, why do they insist on a truly off market 3+2 that is against fifa’s rules?

    I’ll again ask: why would good businessmen turn down elite players who can make a 40x return on their investment? Just because they can’t make 2000x?

    how much will NYCFC make on Gio if he’s sold for $50m (assuming they’re entitled to S/TC)? It should be up to 5% of the transfer fee plus training compensation of a couple hundred thousand dollars. That’s a great investment
     
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  15. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Did Birmingham force Bellingham to sign a 3+2 contract? Was he forced to only join Birmingham City due to geographic restrictions?
     
  16. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    I wonder if MLS is running the marketing for Covid19, because that is one brilliant piece of work...just like the USMNT they've managed to convince everyone it's lethal and the USMNT are any good. Watch out, you might get the flu PLUS a cough. enjoy the panic porn people.
     
  17. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    The panic porn is in full swing. What's wrong with people? Seriously the tissue paper generation that lead to the collapse in T&T seems to be everywhere.

    Everyone: grow a pair and take your flu + cough like a man.
     
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  18. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    I have no idea what your point is. Mine is simple: MLS has made the USMNT a puppet in its drive to make profits. This in turn has made the USMNT a terrible to watch, laughably uncompetitive team.
     
  19. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    This is the situation everywhere, as the vast majority of youngsters won't make the grade.
    They can't do that in MLS unless they're over 18 and out of contract.
    This is the same for all clubs. That's why there is training comp.
     
  20. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    The market is telling them: Go to Venezuela because american players aren't any good.

    I happen to think they are not above the Ralston line. I think this is entirely the problem. You now have an entire team of Ralstons and this is exactly what htey play like. But someone on the marketing team has convinced you otherwise. That is really the only truly talented part of MLS: the marketing job they've done on the US audience.
     
  21. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    The market is telling them: Go to Venezuela because american players aren't any good.

    I happen to think they are not above the Ralston line. I think this is entirely the problem. You now have an entire team of Ralstons and this is exactly what htey play like. But someone on the marketing team has convinced you otherwise. That is really the only truly talented part of MLS: the marketing job they've done on the US audience.
     
  22. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    No Servania, no Cerillo, and no Sands sucks. The roster is lacking in bite in central midfield.
     
  23. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No to all of this. Bruce was biggest problem at T&T with his ast it keeper and 4 forward lineup. I could have done a better job of lining up the team to get the result.
     
  24. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Aaronson and PP look quite combative. I think they are not going to be easy to play at all.

    Doyle has a good article on the roster, these kids are good. If this tournament happens we are going to put a real talented squad out and it's not even close to first choice.

    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020...-roster-has-huge-talent-advantage-over-past-u

    But first, I want to contextualize this roster a bit, and it strikes me that the best way of doing that isn't to look at who's heading to Guadalajara for qualifiers, but rather who isn't. Specifically, the sheer volume of who's not there tells a greater story about talent development in the US.

    Here's a list of the age-eligible players who are too valuable to their clubs, and thus weren't released by their clubs to the US U-23s for Concacaf Olympic Qualifying in 2020:

    1. Christian Pulisic
    2. Tyler Adams
    3. Weston McKennie
    4. Sergino Dest
    5. Josh Sargent
    6. Gio Reyna
    7. Sam Vines
    8. Christian Cappis
    9. Cameron Carter-Vickers
    10. Chris Richards
    11. Brooks Lennon
    Here are three other players who absolutely, positively would've been called in but not released if they weren't currently hurt:

    1. Antonee Robinson
    2. Miles Robinson
    3. Tim Weah
     
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  25. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Aaronson and Pomykal aren't d-mid. Pomykay hasn't gone 90.

    I do agree the current talent pool is impressive.
     

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