Olympic Gold - USA : JPN - STEINHAUS (GER)

Discussion in 'Referee' started by MassachusettsRef, Aug 8, 2012.

  1. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    PK and YC since she stuck her arm out.
     
  2. stangspritzring

    stangspritzring Member+

    Apr 3, 2006
    NorMD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think we the viewers had a much better angle on that play than did either the near-side AR or CR. At speed from the initial angle, I was "hey, was that...?" but when the alternate angle came on it was very evident. Maybe fault of position on missing the call, but otherwise I think she's done well.
     
  3. wykell

    wykell Member

    Jun 9, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you did that, you'd run out of the world's supply of Labatt in the first 45 minutes!
     
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  4. IllinoisRef

    IllinoisRef Member

    Jul 6, 2011
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Wow. Double wow. Just saw the replay. Cynical. Intentional. Deliberate.
    They got away with one.

    Plus I'm not so sure Abby didn't mean to hit the Japanese player " from behind"
     
  5. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ??? PK yes - but a caution? I don't see the need for that....
     
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  6. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    The NY Jets could use someone who can wrap up and tackle like Bueller. ;)
     
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  7. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
     
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  8. Rydianstealth

    Rydianstealth Member

    Jul 24, 2009
    Club:
    BYU Cougars
    I'm in agreement with Mr. Perfectnot...if the referee did call the pk why further sanction with a yellow card. I call this double jeopardy. Can't have double jeopardy in the United States. I think should also apply in other areas.
     
  9. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    It appears that the feed is off by a minute. Grant Wahl had already announced the Japanese goal on Twitter.
     
  10. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    There's no way the AR would have been looking anywhere near there. I think the referee's position was the problem. She needed to be a couple of steps to her left.
     
  11. stangspritzring

    stangspritzring Member+

    Apr 3, 2006
    NorMD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I know, but I was going for "hey, maybe one of the others may have seen it better." :)
     
  12. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    These are the times that try ref's souls.....

    This is when you want to ref - late in a good match, energy and focus are what you need - teams are working so hard - LOVE THIS!
     
  13. oldreferee

    oldreferee Member

    May 16, 2011
    Tampa
    Loved the look she gave abby for complaining
     
  14. Eastshire

    Eastshire Member+

    Apr 13, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Easy card there.
     
  15. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gotta say, that's a week call and card against Wambach. But, won't make much difference since it's the 90th minute.
     
  16. oldreferee

    oldreferee Member

    May 16, 2011
    Tampa
    Clearly one or two decisions where replay might differ.
    But that happens an awfully lot, even to the very best.
    Bottom line, if you asked any of the players or coaches, from either team,
    I think whey would be very happy to have Steinhaus on their next game.
    Good presence. Good rapport. Very prolished.
     
  17. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Intentional handball is a YC as far as I know. In La Liga they actually give YC for unintentional as well ... which IMO is BS.
     
  18. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But it really does reinforce the "commission vs. omission" thing. Steinhaus does not call a deliberate handling penalty kick that every single referee who has seen it on here so far has said needed to be called. It's a game-critical call that would have resulted, in 85% of cases, in a tied game. It affected the course of the game and very possibly the result. Yet you're right with everything you've said, I think.

    Call a phantom handball that results in a PK and a goal, however, and there's no redeeming yourself the rest of the match.

    Not sure if there is a lesson in that or if it's just a reminder that people's expectations are often out of whack. Or it might even be that people subconsciously think a penalty kick is too draconian of a punishment for certain fouls (even when they acknowledge it's the correct punishment per the Laws), so they excuse an occasional miss like this one.

    Bottom line, strong game from Steinhaus overall. But it did have one big flaw (possibly two, but the second penalty possibility rarely gets called right now and often gets missed).
     
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  19. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    When a goalie takes down a player in the box, and he is the last man it's typically a red card (and the PK of course). Same with a defender. I am not saying it's fair, it's just the rule.
     
  20. HeyDude

    HeyDude Member

    Mar 21, 2008
    The handling incident was a clear miss but the communication between her and the players is very good and clear of what she expects out of them.
     
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  21. John F.

    John F. New Member

    Jun 30, 2012
    I would have to disagree that handling is an automatic caution. Unintentional (I know we don't like the word unintentional, but undeliberate just doesn't sound right :) ) handling is not even an offense, let alone a yellow card.
     
  22. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Handling is not an automatic caution.
    Can it be cautioned, also? Yes.
    Must it be a caution? No.

    In this instance, I think the PK would have been correct and a caution would be unwarranted.
     
  23. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How did you get from a desired caution for a handling offense to a takedown, ejection and PK? Not seeing the connection.
     
  24. John F.

    John F. New Member

    Jun 30, 2012
    All in all, I would say a good job by the officiating crew. With the exception of the missed handling off the free kick, the crew did well.
     
  25. troutseth

    troutseth Member+

    Feb 1, 2006
    Houston, TX
    She is world class. If she didn't see handling, she didn't see it; can only fault positioning (maybe since you cannot be everywhere at once).
     

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