Ok, Jordan Morris, is he the deal?

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by deuteronomy, Apr 16, 2015.

  1. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Morris has mostly shown well for the USMNT, without respect to where he plays his football. As long as he is in this form, I see no reason why he should not be one of the first names on the team sheet. I am no MLS fan, but he made the right career choice and he has gotten better. If I am the coach it is his spot until somebody can make an on field argument they deserve the spot more.
     
  2. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    this would seem to be what every national team fan should be rooting for. If Weah, or anyone else, knocks Morris back to the bench, or off the squad, it doesn't mean it's a good idea to hate Morris, or denigrate his efforts. Good sides have competition at every position.
     
  3. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    I don’t think anyone in this thread (at least recently) has been hating on Morris. There’s a discussion about whether he should have gone to Bremen. The only criticism I’ve seen is Kleiban’s and I wouldn’t describe him as a USMNT fan
     
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  4. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    There is an inclination for either/or though among fans, and IMO esp national team fans. Keller fans weren't content with how good he was, they also wanted to trash Friedel, and vice versa and double and triple for Meola and Hahnemann.
    Morris, as a player, is the sum of his choices. We cannot know if he would have improved more had he taken the Bremen offer, but we do know he has improved quite a bit having taken the Seattle offer, and running with it. I think there's a tendency on here, and among fans, to think that Morris + Europe = Current Morris squared.
    German clubs do a great job with young players. Most young players, however, fail and that number is pretty high when they leave the comforts of home and support networks. Some personality types thrive on the pressure of going it alone. It's one of the things I find so impressive about Bobby Wood. Crikey, on his own from 14, almost half a world from home.
    But that is not the path that works for everyone, and I think the hate figures into the discussion when we categorically state that Morri would have been better off taking a different road. "Yes, he's X now, but he should be Y..." etc
     
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  5. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    #3930 DHC1, Dec 10, 2019
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    to be fair to @IndividualEleven who I think has been advocating for Morris to move to a major league team, I don’t get the sense that he doesn’t like Morris - I actually think he’s a big fan and thinks jordan has a lot higher ceiling than I do.

    I do agree that people like to tear down players who are competing with their preferred choices.

    I also fully agree that the compete-at-the-highest-level path is not for everyone and we should keep an open mind to the Jordan Morris Types who are excelling in lower levels. We should not, however, give them a material preference over those who do push themselves against the highest competition, which I strongly believe Berhalter is doing (just like arena before him).
     
  6. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Salzburg could have used Morris on the right wing v. Lpool today in UCL.
     
  7. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think that aren't a whole lot of players with Morris's speed and strength. His finishing is good not elite but even that gives teams fits as few have players to keep up with him. He probably troubles good teams more because they play higher up leaving him more room to run behind. He has improve a lot since becoming a pro and if he can improve more he will start to draw some big offers. He's taken a unique path so far but it's worked for him so far. What's not to like?
     
  8. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    I checked the top 3 scorers in the last few additions of the Pokal. They include such luminaries as Robert Glatzel, Pierre-Michel Lasogga, Dodi Lukebakio, Bobby Wood, Antonio Colak, and Martin Harnik.

    40m isn't a great deal for an established young striker. Jadon Sancho is not a striker. He does have 24 goals and 30 assists across the CL and the B1. Those numbers will fetch a nice fee for a young player.
    Actually, my point was--
    15 goals across and league and cup in a single season isn't 'superstar' level.
    I just think you were triggered by the post. Or you misunderstood something. I never suggested Morris needed to be in Bund.
     
  9. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Fair enough on this last point. Itr was this above bit that sticks out for me. You do keep repeating that 15 goals is an everyday sort of normal target in the Bund/Pokal. It is not. Sancho scored 13 in all comps last season. Sancho is a fricking supersuperstar here. He will beat that number this year, but he became the next really big thing by scoring fewer goals than the 15 you suggest was all Morris had to do.
    Pulisic, in all comps, scored 17, over three seasons.
    All I'm saying is that the over/under is set high enough that it isn't really a point. Only Lewandowski, year in and year out, routinely bests 15 in all comps in a season here. It's a very high bar.
    Also, £40m for any player is a great deal of money. For most top flight european clubs, even among the big five leagues, it would shatter their record amount paid for a player. For the very top end of clubs, it's done, but it's still a lot of money. Only 11 players in the history of the Bund have been sold for more. And Morris would not have arrived as a young striker, so he could not have been sold as young and full of potential. He would have arrived at what is expected to be the finished article age. By my count, only 21 clubs have ever paid that much for a player (two in China, the rest in the big 5 leagues)
     
  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to Transfermkt Sancho is worth $136 million and Morris is worth $4 million.

    Take that with a grain of salt.
     
  11. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    I'm referring to the striker position. I'm not sure what Jadon Sancho has to do with any of this. I never claimed Morris would be banging in x goals every season.
     

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