Official 2020 Nadeshiko Japan Thread [R] - なでしこジャパン(英語スレッド)

Discussion in 'Japan' started by blissett, Jan 1, 2020.

  1. Bop N Cool

    Bop N Cool Member

    Mar 18, 2012
    U.S.A.
    Club:
    Vegalta Sendai
    A year after the match, Wambach and other members visited the affected area, including my native prefecture, and encouraged the locals. That evinced their class and the moral quality of women soccer overall.

     
  2. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    Well there was no mention, that I heard, on the US broadcast today of the happenings years ago. It seemed like for most it never happened.

    The US women's lawsuit and the coronavirus pandemic crisis was what dominated all the soccer and non soccer news respectively and I guess I understand.

    I wish there had been more but there is just too much of import to remember what happened nine years ago.

    This match should not have been played before fans and, since they were stupid in that, I really can not expect expect the powers that be to show either intelligence or compassion.
     
  3. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    I admire people like @Manchester Nadeshiko or @Lechus7, that, despite the match being played in the night for us in Europe, had the strength to stay up to watch it. I didn't manage to do the same and by 1:00 am, when the match started here, I was already sleeping. :sleep:

    The final score was more or less what I expected. I normally hate to criticize the work of the coach, but my opinion is that the lack of DFs in the roster was bad management. :unsure: How our DFs were deployed, exactly, from Left to Right (i.e, who the FBs were and who the CBs were)?

    I'll gladly watch Iwabuchi's goal, later, since you write it was so good. Actually, it seems to me that, these days, Iwabuchi is our only player who can somehow make the difference at international level.
     
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  4. frohike

    frohike Member

    Japan
    Aug 6, 2015
    Spain
    Random stat of the day: Mana Iwabuchi ties Asako Takakura and Mizuho Sakaguchi as the 8th top goalscorer in Nadeshiko history (29)

    7. Futaba Kioka (30)
    6. Mio Otani (31)
    5. Aya Miyama (38)
    4. Shinobu Ohno (40)
    3. Kaori Nagamine (48)
    2. Yuki Nagasato (58)
    1. Homare Sawa (83) :notworthy:
     
  5. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    Heh, hold your admiration pls cuz I wanted to watch it but ultimately fell asleep :laugh:
     
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  6. GunnerTNB

    GunnerTNB Member+

    Apr 4, 2011
    São Paulo
    Club:
    Botafogo Rio Janeiro
    Doko (RB) - Kumagai (CB) - Minami (CB) - Miyake (LB)
     
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  7. Kakeru

    Kakeru Member+

    Manchester United
    Japan
    Feb 22, 2016
    Montréal, QC, Canada
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    The best recipe to win a tournament or a title is to build up from the back to the front. Sure, I'm sure that people, including myself, will always moan if Japan has a hard time scoring goals. However, the bigger cause for concern now is the severe lack of solidity with back 4 and goalkeeper. And without that, no one can expect the midfield nor the attack to do their bit with confidence. Unless our issues at the back get sorted out, I would not hold high hopes for the Olympics (if they are to be held, that is).

    If you asked me which one I would prefer between an Atletico Madrid-type of defence-first approach and a (pre-Mourinho) Tottenham Hotspur-type of attack-first mindset, I would definitely favor the former as a key to win matches and perhaps titles.
     
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  8. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    You are, of course, correct. However I question the approach that the current coach has attempted in trying to produce a good defense. As good a player as she is the attempt of trying Endo at the back was quite stupid and actually a double failure. It failed to strengthen the defense, in fact it weakened it, and it weakened the attack by taking one of the best attacking players out of the attack.

    Decisions like that make me doubt the ability of the coach and without good coaching Japan will never regain their place on the world of soccer that they had before. To succeed a soccer team needs both an attack and a defense and this coach seems, at this time, to be unable to produce either.

    Of course with everything getting canceled there will be plenty of practice time to rebuild all parts of Japan's game. It just remains to be seen if they take advantage of this opportunity.
     
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  9. #5nadeshikofan

    #5nadeshikofan Member+

    INAC Kobe
    May 26, 2012
    Plymouth, Michigan, USA
    Club:
    Vegalta Sendai
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    But where are the defenders? I had my hopes up for Miyabi Moriya back in 2016, but with her injuries, she kind of disappeared. She was praised by Takakura back then. Maybe she also doesn't want to play that high a level and is satisfied with what she does in Kobe. Who else? I would assume Takakura pulled in the best she could find, no?
     
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  10. pierre bezukhov

    AC Milan
    Japan
    Mar 7, 2018
    Japan
    I have questioned some of Takakura's choices at the back for a while, but I believe the players she has chosen are good players. She tends to choose players from the same teams (Beleza, Urawa, INAC). However, last year Albrecs, Jef and Iga all performed very well defensively with low goals against, yet players from those teams are seldom considered. Weaker teams that perform well defensively are put under a lot more pressure, because they do not have the ball as much, so surely their defenders must be doing something right?

    But I suspect she wants technically proficient players who can play out from the back like Guardiola wants at Manchester City. The only problem with that is that even these technical players seem to make mistakes. I think it being early in the season also exacerbated the technical problems.

    My main problem was that she only took two genuine full-backs (Shimizu, Miyagawa) to this competition. One of them got injured (Shimizu), so she does not start Miyagawa in the next game. So all I can deduce from that is she was just trying people out in different positions. But then why not play Naomoto or Matsubara in central midfield? Sometimes it is a bit perplexing.

    I thought Miyake played quite well at left back.

    Endo was tried at full-back because at the Olympics the number of players available to use are fewer than the world cup, so Takakura wants players to be versatile and be able to play in more than one position. Endo at full-back was an experiment that did not work. I can see the logic, but I think she rates Endo too highly.
     
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  11. unepommekun

    unepommekun Member

    Beleza
    Japan
    Mar 26, 2018
    OK, so I make some FB members of those teams.
    Ueno from Jef (now Urawa), Kitagawa and Kojima from Albi, Hatanaka from Iga.
    From the other teams, of course Moriya, Seike, Kitamura, Ishida, Okukawa and ManYa or so on.
     
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  12. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    Who Takakura could realistically call, out of these names? Moriya was looking very promising as of a few years ago, as @#5nadeshikofan was mentioning but, because of injuries, she didn't live up to expectations.

    Kitagawa had looked like the next best thing some time ago, and injuries bit hard on her too, but maybe she could be tried.

    Edit: U-20 World Champion Nanami Kitamura, from Cerezo Osaka Sakai Ladies, could be considered too, but she's less experienced and she has played in 2nd Division last season.
    The names I guess we could rely on in the short term are actually Saki Ueno (experienced, dependable, she was JEF's captain for a pair of seasons and I guess she's an OK Full-Back, if not very effective offensively) and especially Kiko Seike: this last one is all Takakura wants Endo to be, except she has already successfully made the transition from FW to FB in her club! In the last pair of season, Seike showed that she can play DF while keeping being a threat offensively and I guess it would be time to give her a chance in NT.

    Another player who successfully transtioned from FW to FB is a veteran from 2011 World Cup, Megumi Takase. Sure, she's not as young as our other options, but since she was a rookie in Germany 9 years ago, she's still just 29. In an emergercy situation, with many other players injured, I would strongly consider her.

    Edit: U-20 World Champion Nanami Kitamura from Cerezo Osaka Sakai Ladies could be considered too, but she's less experienced and she has played in 2nd Division last season.
     
  13. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    Just want to point out that experience is overrated.
    "Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it."
    and
    "Experience is what causes a person to make new mistakes instead of old ones."
     
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  14. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    Sorry for my edit somehow duplicating and creeping up into the text, but in the last days I experienced some troubles in editing posts here on BigSoccer. :notworthy: I hope my message was quite readable anyway.
     
  15. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
  16. pierre bezukhov

    AC Milan
    Japan
    Mar 7, 2018
    Japan
    Not just full-backs. I believe some of the centre-backs should be getting a chance. I like Ueno and Kitajima. I also liked Ushijima for INAC, but she got injured last year and I did not see her play late in last season.

    As a Nojima fan I can tell you that Ishida is a defensive liablilty. Going forward she is actually very good, but defensively...she does some interesting things. I prefer our left back Risako Ohga, but she is probably not fast enough. She has a good football brain. I would like to see her play at centre-back more for Nojima. Maybe it will happen this year now that Kunitake has left for Sendai. I did not want her to leave.
     
  17. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    Friendly vs. New Zealand (11th April) has been cancelled.
     
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  18. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    International update:

    as strange as it can seem in these times of emergency, when most leagues froze up because of the corona virus, the semifinals of Aussie W-League were regularly played. Earlier today, Melbourne City sailed through their one vs Western City Wanderers and won it by a whopping 5-1, dominating this game the same way they dominated the whole season so far. The final (assuming that it will be regularly disputed) will be a derby vs Melbourne Victory (that City have already recently beaten by 4-0 in the 12th matchday of the league, in mid-February).
    Yukari Kinga played the whole game. Melbourne City sure has some impressive players, as Right Back Ellie Carpenter or that Claire Emslie that had already impressed me last year when we met Scotland at the WWC.
    Highlights of the game: https://www.w-league.com.au/video/m...wanderers-match-highlights-westfield-w-league
     
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  19. pierre bezukhov

    AC Milan
    Japan
    Mar 7, 2018
    Japan
    Naoko Wada has already scored a goal and given two assists playing for Manly United FC in two matches. She is playing as a central midfielder and is doing a very good job, albeit in a much easier league.

    She is playing in a position I hoped Yoko would play in Spain. Basically Naoko passes the ball into space for her faster team mates to run onto. It is working pretty well with Manly winning both games.

    I just find it funny that she was a left back for most of her time at Nojima, but once she moved to Manly they obviously realised she had a bit too much skill for a left back in that particular league.

    I will be curious to see how she goes once all the players in the Aussie W-League return.
     
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  20. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    #370 Lechus7, Mar 17, 2020
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2020
    I really hope that Tashima didn't actually contracted the virus... and if he did, that the infection spread by him will stay minimal. He was lobbying for Japan's bid for WWC 2023 during SheBelieves in US and I would presume that after watching JPN - ESP on the stadium he also had some contact with the Nadeshiko team.

    Thread:
     
  21. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
    #371 sbahnhof, Mar 20, 2020
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2020
    Yukari Kinga's team are in the Final on Saturday in the Australian W-League


    You can see updates and maybe even a live stream in the Women's International forum.
    Kickoff is at 04:30 GMT / 13:30 JST

    Aussie W-League 2019/2020
    www.bigsoccer.com/posts/38582907/

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    Closed doors today: AAMI Park in Melbourne
    (Photo: ThatOneAussie, cc-by-sa)
     
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  22. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
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  23. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    In what promises to be the last football played until who-knows-when, Melbourne City won today the final of Aussie-W-League by "just" 1-0 vs Sydney FC (and not Melbourne Victory, as I had wrongly said earlier).

    I didn't watch the game, because its start was a little too early for me in Italy (at about 5 am), nor I watched highlights, because they are not functioning for me as they were doing some weeks ago (I'll post anyway the link to them below), but on other threads it's been said that City, despite having dominated the whole season, was quite lucky in this match: they scored from a GK's blunder and a clear PK against them wasn't called by the referee.

    Anyway, our Yukari Kinga (who started and was subbed-out at 67') once again won the Australian title: another piece of silverware for her long and glorious career.

    Highlights of the game (please let me know if you manage to watch them, guys, so I'll know if it's only me having problems):
    https://www.w-league.com.au/video/melbourne-city-v-sydney-fc-highlights-westfield-w-league
     
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  24. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    I can watch it without any problems.

    Here is full match:

     
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  25. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    From the Yank Women Abroad thread:

    not sure where we're at with coronavirus pandemic in Japan and if 2020 season is supposed to regularly start at some point in time. Anyway, for records, impossible-to-spell US Goalkeeper Mikayla Krzeczowski (probably @Lechus7 can help us with the spelling, since she sounds like she's of Polish descent) has apparently just signed for FC Jumonji Ventus (I remind everyone that the club won Challenge League's play-offs in season 2019, so they're supposed to play in Division 2 for the upcoming season).

     
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