Not a true Christian: Debate Christianity and Religion's role in Politics

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  1. Deadtigers

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    This is where we continually move the goal post about how abort acts committed by Christian leaders is proof they are not true Christians.
     
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  2. Smurfquake

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    I read a book on this topic. "Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation". It was interesting. Mostly a history of how evangelicals have been picking new daddy figures for decades, and those daddy figures generally turned out to be misogynistic assholes, culminating in Trump. John Wayne is held up as the ideal, even though he wasn't an evangelical Christian, he was a misogynistic asshole (and racist too, but that wasn't the main draw for the evangelicals who held him up as the pinnacle of American manhood). The one drawback is that the book doesn't really offer any solutions - evangelicals gonna pick a new daddy and that new daddy's gonna be a misogynistic asshole, and they're good with that. Shocking to hear that the guys who were taking their daughters to purity balls back in the 90s turned into middle aged men who supported Trump.
     
  3. Deadtigers

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    When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross"?
    -falsely attributed to Sinclair Lewis but really just a synopsis of his view.
     
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  4. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    I assume most of them have paid for abort acts. Especially the televangelists.
     
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  5. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    They got the flag wrong

    trump-won-fuck-your-feelings-flag.jpeg
     
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  6. bigredfutbol

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    I read that as well—I’d argue that as a work of (recent) history, it’s not fair to expect it to provide solutions (although it would be awesome if somebody could). It’s a fantastic read—connected several disparate threads I was vaguely aware of but hadn’t really put together or seen clearly.
     
  7. JohnR

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    Jun 23, 2000
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    My reading of the New Testament says that Jesus preached that Christian behavior and faith in the Lord would lead to what really matters: admission to Heaven. There's nothing in there about how Christians should become involved in political affairs, in this relatively unimportant world. And certainly no justifications for lying, cheating, and killing in the name of the Lord, so as to advance one's cause.

    So I reject all such efforts. Until somebody convinces me otherwise, people who behave like that have no right to claim that they are doing so as "Christians."
     
  8. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Organized religion, especially since the Enlightenment, has been a drag on humanity.
     
  9. bigredfutbol

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    An argument can be made that what the NT describes is an early "Jesus cult"* that is only tangentially connected to the formalized Christianity which began to take institutional and theological shape around the end of the second century AD.



    *I'm using 'cult' in a non-derogatory way here.
     
  10. Val1

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    James 1:26

    If anyone thinks of himself to be religious, and does not control his own tongue but deluded his own heart, this person's religion is worthless.

    And I say this as a "saved" Christian. So I get the bewilderment with my ilk.
     
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  11. BocaFan

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    That's a scary thought if I ever had one! IOW, Putin's Russia minus the educated population.
     
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  12. Chesco United

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    I spent much of my childhood in a church pastored by John and Anne Gimenez, so I am ready for your questions.
     
  13. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    How close is Righteous Gemstones?
     
  14. Chesco United

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    Haven't watched it yet.
     
  15. Game of Billions

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    You know who would make a great daddy for Christians? YHWH
     
  16. SamScouse

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    Does this thread not belong on the Spirituality forum?
     
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  17. bigredfutbol

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    We're talking about Christianity as a sociocultural force and also how it influences politics. The subject comes up a lot in this forum, so IMHO it belongs here.
     
  18. Game of Billions

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    Yeah, it was. It grew out of the fertility cults of the Near East. Gnostic cults, mystery schools. Use of psychedelic plants and fungi was common. Originally, is was called, the "Way" then Christianity. What we have today is something... diluted, it's been in the hands of a priesthood, which it was never meant to be.

    Conclusion: go eat 5 dried grams of psilocybin mushrooms in silent darkness on an empty stomach.
     
  19. ToMhIlL

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    Ahhhh! So that's your secret! That explains a lot...
     
  20. JohnR

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    There's not much spiritual about support for the 2nd Amendment. So, no.
     
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  21. Chesco United

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    Christians can participate in the US political process, the same as anyone else.
     
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  22. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    It's got plenty of good comedic performances but Edi Patterson is the shining star. Walton Goggins too.

    Don't know many Christian country songs but this is the best IMO

     
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  23. Sounders78

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    And they can be critiqued and criticized the same as any other group actively involved in the political process.
     
  24. JohnR

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    Yep. Including the point of this thread, which is that they vote for secular reasons, but claim that their vote is a matter of faith. It ain't.
     
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  25. Chesco United

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    Amen to that!
     
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