North Korea Tests a Nuclear Weapon

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by steve-o, May 24, 2009.

  1. steve-o

    steve-o New Member

    Nov 14, 2007
  2. shooter6065

    shooter6065 Member

    Nov 16, 2000
    Chicago
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    Not too much anyone can do about that. What is wrong with spending billions on nuclear weapons programs when your population is literally starving?

    Is it wrong?
     
  3. saosebastiao

    saosebastiao New Member

    May 22, 2005
    I wonder if he has realized that the world has moved on from Nukes yet.
     
  4. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
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    Heh?
     
  5. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
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    I'm calling bullshit on great leader.
     
  6. CrewDust

    CrewDust Member

    May 6, 1999
    Columbus, Ohio
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    He's the Dear leader.
     
  7. saosebastiao

    saosebastiao New Member

    May 22, 2005
    Nukes used to be the penis extension of world powers. The only people that care about nukes anymore are the ones who plan on using them. Kim Jong is not that person.
     
  8. shooter6065

    shooter6065 Member

    Nov 16, 2000
    Chicago
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    Look, get it right when are addressing greatness. It's Dear Leader.

    Great Leader might have been Kim Il Sung.
     
  9. minorthreat

    minorthreat Member

    Jan 1, 2001
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    It was. Lil' Kim is the Dear Leader.

    Sigh. I've only been back in Seoul for a week and already the North are starting shit. Guess I have a bunch of panicked emails from my parents to look forward to tomorrow.
     
  10. Shaster

    Shaster Member+

    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    No worry. Fatty the 2nd, just want Obama's attention. :p
     
  11. Anthony

    Anthony Member+

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    Aug 20, 1999
    Chicago
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    Well, I am glad to see our new policy of engagement and openess to dialogue is already getting results.

    Snark aside, what does anyone expect. The only real issue is whether Kim is crazy or if he is acting crazy knowing he will get money.

    I say the new policy is to make it clear to Kim, we do not really care if he starves his people into submission in order to build his toys. But one missle crosses the DMZ and his country gets flattened.

    All this guy wants is attention (and money).
     
  12. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

    Jul 2, 2003
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    We should encourage them to conduct as many tests as quickly as possible.

    That way, they'll expend their supply of plutonium and won't have any to make real weapons with.

    :D
     
  13. Shaster

    Shaster Member+

    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    I think Lil Kim deserved more credits than just labeling him crazy.

    In the old time, the balance of Koreas depends on two alliances:

    In the North: Soviet Union-China-North Korea;

    In the South: US-Japan-South Korea;

    Then two things happened: first Soviet Union collapsed, second China normalized relationship with South Korea.

    So the North triangle was gone, and South triangle is still intact.

    At the critical point, the Old Kim, Fatty the 1st, made his strategical judgment: North Korea needs to normalize relationship with US to make the country(or regime) sustainable. Or at least make equavlent relationship comparable with China-South Korea kind.

    But North Korea needs a big bargaining chip which is nuclear bomb and the potential threat of spreading the technology into Mid East.

    But US had a different idea. They want to destablize North Korea at the time when China's Northeast (Manchuria) was going through the closure waves of state enterprises with massive layoff of unemployed workers. Street protests were common, and think about adding millions of North Korean refugees there. A stone to kill two birds.

    Of course, that strategy failed, abeit with waves of Western media attacks on China's refuse on accepting numbers of North Korean refugees.

    So it backs to negotiation table. Until US and North Korea normalize relationship and as return North Korea gives up nukes, you will hear this repeatedly.
     
  14. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
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    It's easy to say this when you have them and most others don't.
     
  15. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Red Card

    Feb 13, 2004
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    The US should step away from all talks with NK and stop all agreements with them for a few months. No interaction with them, no aid, nothing. Suspend the 6 party talks as well.
     
  16. Shaster

    Shaster Member+

    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    That will not work. North Korea would try to get their tech to sell into Mid East market.

    US did need to talk with North Korea, but insisting on the monitoring regime on North Korea's denuclearization process.
     
  17. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Red Card

    Feb 13, 2004
    Chicago
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    Something they are already busy doing anyway. No I think the US needs to put NK on the ignore list for a few months and stop all, and I mean all interaction with NK. No aid, no talks, no nothing. It is obvious that NK will continue to advance their nuke program and test missiles regardless of what the US, China, etc... does or says. So I say let them go 6 months or a year with no US interaction.
     
  18. eric_appleby

    eric_appleby Member+

    Jun 11, 1999
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    Whatever food aid they get just frees up more resources for their nuclear arms program.
     
  19. Pathogen

    Pathogen Member

    Jul 19, 2004
    Like you care.
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    Like he's adverse to starving his own people to get what he wants.
     
  20. steve-o

    steve-o New Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    So let's keep talks open and continue to provide aid, because that seems to be working...
     
  21. Pathogen

    Pathogen Member

    Jul 19, 2004
    Like you care.
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    United States
    Or let their people starve. Starving people FTW!
     
  22. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Red Card

    Feb 13, 2004
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    Even with aid the people in NK are starving because the food is diverted to his armed forces. I see no reason for the US to continue to feed the armed forces of NK.
     
  23. Pathogen

    Pathogen Member

    Jul 19, 2004
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    Then we should invade. Invading countries FTW!...literally.
     
  24. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090526/ap_on_re_us/un_koreas

    This organization is pathetic.
     
  25. Anthony

    Anthony Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Aug 20, 1999
    Chicago
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    This is going to sound cruel, but well, yes. The starving people in Korea really are not our problem, they are starving because the country is lead by one of the most odious leaders on the planet. Every dollar of aid given usually ends up in the hands of the army, or otherwise strengthens the regime. I can understand the South Koreans wanting to aid the north, those suffering are their cousins. But as for me, I would not give one more dollar of aid to the north as long as it is under the current regime.
     

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