NISA (New NASL-allied D3 league) Mega-Thread

Discussion in 'NASL' started by oneeyedfool, Jun 6, 2017.

  1. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Exactly. I feel like I keep harping on it (but I guess that's what message boards are for) There isn't a meaningful distinction between division 3 and division 2. They are both pro, they are both not MLS. It seems to matter for the owners' egos, but that's worrying in itself, since ego (in this sense) is not the best decision maker.

    In some ways, I see the NISA as trying to be a redo of the minor leagues. Have teams own the league, but do not have major league ambitions.
     
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  2. Sporting Real

    Sporting Real Member+

    Jun 29, 2011
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Might need to go digging it for it, but Wilt outlined a master plan branching out of NISA. Includes creating a pathway up all the way from the city and state leagues.

    It does, though, include plans for a league higher than NASL as the top. Not sure what to make of that
     
  3. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There was, once. Ambition-wise and barriers to entry-wise. And I would say that time was the late 90s, but, realistically, when the TOA/USL split happened, what was USL Pro (and now USL) was most definitely the Fisher-Price version, while the NASL (which was still ramshackle) had bigger ideas (even if they did not come to fruition).

    You might very well ask, "Does the public make a distinction?" Not so much anymore, it seems. In preparation for applying for D2 status, USL insisted its clubs step up their games and no longer act like the Fort Worth Toros and San Antonio Pumas and Cleveland Caps did back in the day. Bolstering a club's front office and its sales and marketing efforts so that it looks more like a robust operation worth supporting goes a long way. (And, of course, the game at all levels has benefited from everything that has happened since Suwon.)
     
  4. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Anyone hear anything about who's interested in NASL's new venture?

    Also sorry to post a twitter response to crazy Ted.
     
  5. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You mention pro/rel in any capacity & the crazies will crawl out of the woodwork.
     
  6. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hopefully, the NISA can focus on regional gameplay & not have cross-country in mind, since the budget for each team will be small.
     
  7. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Although there's definelty a connection, to say this was a NASL venture is misleading.
     
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  8. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yea, it is a separate organization from NASL started by Peter Wilt, who has strong ties to NASL, with intentions of partnering with NASL. But it is not a NASL venture, and there is no formal agreement in place yet.

    I think it's an incredibly exciting project, though
     
  9. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So has Wilt given up on putting a team in Chicago for NASL? He seems to have switched gears from that to this pretty quick.
     
  10. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nope. He's still working on that too. He's got 4 potential sites for a modular or permanent stadium and one existing venue possibility.
     
  11. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The moment the NASL (and maybe NPSL) change their tune that they are doing pro/rel with NISA I'll retract. But until then this is simply a new 3rd division pro league.
     
  12. BHTC Mike

    BHTC Mike Member+

    Apr 12, 2006
    Burlington, ON
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Emphasis added.

    I'm sure they love the idea of taking NISA's best teams--part one of Wilt's proposal. Not getting an expansion fee, maybe not so much.

    But on the relegation side, imagine this sales pitch to potential investors: sign-up today, pay an expansion fee, and in a few years we kick you out if you have a rebuild season (while your place gets taken by someone who didn't pay their freight)!

    Also, I want this to happen, because I want to see NISA try to survive as they keep losing their stronger members--who hopefully are the stronger organizations--and replacing them with NASL basket cases. That would be entertaining.

    If pro/rel ever happens in the U.S., it will be inside one league first, so that no one is being kicked out of the club, and everyone is still pulling in the same direction.
     
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  13. Titanole

    Titanole Member

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Feb 15, 2005
    Nashville, TN
    Club:
    Nashville Metros
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  14. Sporting Real

    Sporting Real Member+

    Jun 29, 2011
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tim Kelly of Chattanooga FC confirmed he was at recent NISA meeting in Chicago along with the owner of the Tulsa Athletics, Sonny Dalesandro. Not sure of anyone else.
     
  15. pieper1850

    pieper1850 Member

    Jan 15, 2016
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I'm 90% sure Andy Davi of MKE Torrent was there too
     
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  16. pieper1850

    pieper1850 Member

    Jan 15, 2016
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Club Speculating:

    Minneapolis
    Milwaukee
    Detroit
    Cleveland
    Philadelphia

    Chattanooga
    St. Louis
    Tulsa
    Omaha
    Little Rock
     
  17. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty strong guesses for the most part. My list would not include Minneapolis, Cleveland and Philadelphia, but would include Dayton, Boston, Hartford and Buffalo.
     
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  18. Sporting Real

    Sporting Real Member+

    Jun 29, 2011
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Would make sense. When I interviewed him, he said he had paperwork for USL and NASL, but was concerned with their rising costs. NISA sounds like it would make more sense.

    And I second taking off Cleveland, MPLS and Philly. The other four have all made noise about wanting to go pro.

    It would seem that it would make most sense, if these are the teams, to do:

    Milwaukee
    Detroit
    Buffalo
    Dayton

    Chattanooga
    Tulsa
    Omaha
    Little Rock

    Hold off on Boston and Hartford until you get a couple more East Coast, Atlantic region teams. Boston to Milwaukee is way too far.
     
  19. Fracas

    Fracas Member

    Jun 20, 2015
    Tulsa, OK USA
    Yay for Tulsa


    What of Wichita?
     
  20. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. Sporting Real

    Sporting Real Member+

    Jun 29, 2011
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We'll see. It all comes down to $$$
     
  22. SteveUSSF_ref8

    United States
    Oct 25, 2010
    Menifee, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. Sporting Real

    Sporting Real Member+

    Jun 29, 2011
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gotten that vibe a little too, but NISA would be cheaper and you might be able to get promoted to NASL in a few years. One person mentioned that USL could be mentioned in the article strictly because the writer doesn't know about other options for the team.
     
  24. USRufnex

    USRufnex Red Card

    Tulsa Athletic / Sheffield United
    United States
    Jul 15, 2000
    Tulsa, OK
    Club:
    --other--
    Maybe but I'm guessing Wichita wants to keep all their options open including USL.
    I bet they'll consider the current USL expansion fee a bit out of their depth and ultimately choose between NISA for 2018 or USL D3 for 2019. As for the NASL, I don't think they like the potential to be an admittedly unstable league's doormat when they could start more modestly in NISA.

    As for Tulsa, there's alot of moving parts and the rumors I'm hearing are currently all over the map. I suspect nothing will shake out until the end of the Roughnecks USL season this fall, and alot will depend on who the new owners will be and where that USL team will ultimately play next year.
     

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