Nirvana weren't that good (or were they ???)

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  1. Auriaprottu

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    I'll admit that I think of my favorite Floyd as being what a lot of purists would probably call the more commercial stuff, from Meddle to The Final Cut. I've been thinking of doing a short NFL Films-style (that is, narrated in a deep John Facenda-ish voice) YouTube Winning Eleven highlight video using parts of Echoes, Welcome To The Machine and Time for the soundtrack.

    But why do you think of it as pretentious? Really, I'd like two answers to that- one specifically regarding Floyd, and the other regarding music in general. How does one determine what music is "pretentious" and what is not? It's music, period, IMO.

    :confused:

    No, like I said, I'm partial to the Gilmour and Waters-led albums. I know that's everything but Piper, but of those, really only from Meddle to The Final Cut. I saw the Division Bell tour in Birmingham, but I was never that impressed with the album itself.
     
  2. Auriaprottu

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    Can't edit. "Everything" meaning Piper up until Waters split after TFC.

    The mods said this card would be a badge of honor. I'm about ready to trade in some of that honor for some convenience. August 8...
     
  3. afgrijselijkheid

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    They were, no foolin'... the melodies buried in honest fury, the dynamics between verse and chorus, the challenging yet sincere lyrics, the powerful rhythm section.

    And that's all I'm going to say about that.
     
  4. NMMatt

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    Why would they not be able to strip it down to their Punk Rock roots and rebuild from there? Why does it have to be the Blues?
     
  5. Matt in the Hat

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    It's not my opinion. I think that everything from them is class. I have heard from others who believe they know more than we do about music that everything from Animals on until Roger left had a certain smugness to it.


    The album, eh. The stage show, killer.
     
  6. Matt in the Hat

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    I know what you meant
     
  7. Auriaprottu

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    Sounds like maybe they met Roger and found him smug. That I could believe- I suppose anyone who attracts positive attention and/or conversation because of something he's done is going to puff his chest out at some point or another. The music? IMO, no character trait such as smugness can be attached to that.

    Absolutely. I'm walking under the stands at Legion Field, and I pass an area where I could see the stage as I was walking by. That first glance was awe-inspiring. Even better once I got to my seat. No wonder they played only one venue every other week or so... probably takes them that long to tear down, pack, transport and set up again. All this while the band itself flies to the next city (or wherever) and chills for a few days.
     
  8. nicodemus

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    I saw Phish the night after that show (at 5 Pts Music Hall) and they had gone to the Pink Floyd show. They opened up their show with "Great Gig in The Sky" :)
     
  9. Matt in the Hat

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    Did they actually sing it or did they use the vaccuum cleaner like they do for Purple Rain? That's a hell of a song for a lady to sing let alone 4 dudes.
     
  10. nancyb

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    True. I like their unplugged set a lot.
     
  11. JeremyEritrea

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    Start it. I'm in.
     
  12. Auriaprottu

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    Always cool to hear about musicians suporting other musicians, especially when they're famous enough that they don't have to.

    Sorry Nico- I cannot get into this tune. Probably because everyone I know who knows it thinks it's the most incredible thing they've ever heard. It's nothing but gospel/R&B vocal masturbation. I grew up hearing better singers on those rare occasions when I went to church.
     
  13. nicodemus

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    vaccuum :p
     
  14. nicodemus

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    It's one of my least favorite Floyd tunes. I was merely relaying a memory. I didn't have enough money to go to the Floyd show, so I went to the Phish show instead since they weren't huge at that point and the ticket was only about $15.
     
  15. Auriaprottu

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    I know. Sorry- I've just been around too many people who have not grown up listening to the vocal music that is the basis for what the woman in Gig tried (and failed miserably) to do.She's just wailing with no rhyme or reason, and the credit she gets for that both astounds and sickens me.

    I could sling a deat cat in any Black Baptist church east of the Mississippi and south of the Mason-Dixon line and hit three girls who would have done a better and more focused job. Not going any further along this line of thinking, but if she were not Black, no one would take her seriously.


    I'm going to find out more about Phish one day. I'm just waiting for the hype to die down.
     
  16. NMMatt

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    Composed while watching the tornado scene in the Wizard of Oz :p .
     
  17. Auriaprottu

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    Huh. forgot about that. I've never done the album/video thing. Does it work?

    I swear, every time I hear that part, I wish Floyd had just hired Cher or Carole King or Barbra Streisand or Carly Simon or somebody to do all that yelling. Then we could just fast forward through it and listen to the rest of the album.
     
  18. NMMatt

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    Yeah.. it's a bit eerie, but over-blown. I think you could find coincidental matches between lots albums and movies if you try enough combinations. The crescendos and decrescendos of that song and the movie match particularly well.

    I agree though. It's one of the weaker songs on the album.
     
  19. Matt in the Hat

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    She wasn't black

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    If you do start with "Rift" and "Picture of Nectar" for studio albums and try to get the bootleg for New Years Eve 1997 from MSG and Halloween 1999 from Vegas. In both shows, they did an extra set (they usually did two per show) as a cover of a great album. At the MSG show they did the White Album, in Vegas they did Loaded by the Velvet Underground.

    Just a taste for you

    [youtube]om2EQ7YXork[/youtube]
     
  20. Auriaprottu

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    Busted and informed. Thanks for the info.
    Without the prior knowledge, what would you have guessed?

    Thanks!
     
  21. nicodemus

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    The White Album show was Halloween 1994 (Glen Falls, NY) and the Velvet Underground show was Halloween 1998 (Las Vegas.) Both were officially released.

    I wouldn't start with those two for a live show though. As fun as those shows are, they're kind of gimmicky (and my favorite one is Halloween 96 when they did Talking Heads' Remain in Light.)

    A great live disc to start with is New Year's 1995 from MSG in NYC or the show from Fukoaka, Japan in 2000. Both officially released.
     
  22. Matt in the Hat

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    Damn. So close.
     
  23. PsychedelicCeltic

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    How is the blues descending into minstrelsy? Curious to hear this opinion fleshed out.
     
  24. bojendyk

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    Somehow, a discussion about Nirvana has segued into a discussion about bloated arena rock dinosaurs and jambands.

    To get it back on task, enjoy this bootleg (in m4a format) of one of Nirvana's shows in Rome, recorded about a month before Cobain killed himself. Look for the "download link" link at the bottom of the screen.

    http://www.sendspace.com/file/wjqdf0
     
  25. nicodemus

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    I don't know how that could happen, staying on topic has always been on of BigSoccer's strengths. ;)
     

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