news from turkey..

Discussion in 'England' started by sinner78, Sep 22, 2003.

  1. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Sheffield Wednesday
    England
    Nov 7, 2001
  2. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Northern Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I bet we get the blame, not for this obviously but for any trouble in Turkey.

    Having said that I wouldn't put it past UEFA to blame us for this...
     
  3. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Sheffield Wednesday
    England
    Nov 7, 2001
    Thats why the clowns from the FA are so keen for us not to have any fans at the game.
    its much harder to blame us for any trouble if we havent got any fans at the game...

    Maybe they'll spin some bullsh*t like...
    "the turks felt offended by erikssons pre game comments and felt the need to riot " or something along those lines...
     
  4. Manny

    Manny New Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Denmark
    That wasn´t a riot. A few plastic bottles were thrown on to the pitch that is all. I haven´t heard of anyone being hurt in yesterdays derby.

    If you wanted to see a riot you should have watched Serie B this weekend.
     
  5. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Sheffield Wednesday
    England
    Nov 7, 2001
    Thats funny...
    I could've sworn that the fans came on the pitch and chased the referee down the tunnel .
    The riot police surrounded the ref and dodged the fans who were taking shots at them.
     
  6. Manny

    Manny New Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Denmark
    I saw that the ref was being protected from the plastic bottles but I didn´t see anyone chasing the referee. The stadium was almost empty 5 minutes after the final whistle.
     
  7. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Sheffield Wednesday
    England
    Nov 7, 2001
    Eurosport showed exactly what happened..
    If you've got access to eurosport than you should watch it and see for yourself..
     
  8. Manny

    Manny New Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Denmark
    I saw the game on Lig tv yesterday and they also showed what happened on the stadium half an hour after the final kick off.

    Yesterdays derby was as big as the Turkey-England game, so it isn´t going to any worse in October.

    Did Eurosport show the derby?
     
  9. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Sheffield Wednesday
    England
    Nov 7, 2001
    No, just the game highlights and the crowd trouble.
     
  10. Matt Scholer

    Matt Scholer New Member

    Jul 20, 2003
    1-the following picture printed in the BBC is from a NIght game.

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    But interestingly enough, this game was during the day. Coincidence? I think not...


    2-How come no one in turkey knows about this 'riot'? How come UEFA doesn't mention this riot? Howcome no one's even heard of this 'riot' other than the English press?

    I personally think the tens of English press members who were there at the game were looking for something to blow out of proportion. The selection of the word 'riot' cannot be purely coincedental. Oddly enough people learn through the English press that there was a 'riot'. Perhaps small incidents might have happened, but a riot?
    No way...It's a blatant lie...


    PS: a fan in an italian match got stabbed over the weekend, howcome the English press which is suddenly so concerned over fan violence isn't causing a rukkus over that?

    Obviously this smear campaign has gone too far. It's reached the point of making up lies or overexaggerating everything.I see the english press is upto the same tricks once again...

    But why am i wasting my time, you'll believe what you want to believe in right? It's not reality that matters, but perception. So I'll leave you to have fun in perceiving things the way you prefer ;)
     
  11. gantelo

    gantelo New Member

    Aug 9, 2003
    Istanbul
    I was in the match and no one chased the referee. It is kind of a tradition that refs go the tunnel with police escort in those derby games. And I think, the bigger problem in the match will come from those fenerbahce fans. The match is going to be on their pitch and they will protest the man you know very well, haluk ulusoy for the so called injustice over fenerbahce in the league games and that may cause problems with the galatasaray and besiktas fans who will go to the game. Some idiot fenerbahce fans!!! say, we are going to throw whatever we find in order to cause the resignation of Haluk Ulusoy. If they do that wait for a trouble in the stands not on the pitch.
     
  12. Manny

    Manny New Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Denmark
    From the Daily Telegraph:

    Turkish fans pass derby test
    By William Gray (Filed: 22/09/2003)


    Turkish football authorities were relieved yesterday when a derby between arch-rivals Galatasaray and Fenerbahce, seen as a test for Turkish fans ahead of a critical Euro 2004 qualifer against England, passed largely peacefully.

    The Istanbul police took extraordinary security measures for the game at Galatasaray's new Olympic stadium, mobilising about 5,000 officers, most of them from the riot department.

    Fenerbahce fans were driven to the stadium in special buses, escorted by security forces, with armoured vehicles lining the route. In a rare display of friendship between supporters, fans from both sides exchanged flowers and civil words ahead of the match, which ended in a 2-2 draw before a 70,000 crowd.

    Brief scuffles occurred when several Fenerbahce fans crossed, apparently by mistake, to areas in the stadium allocated for Galatasaray supporters, but police intervened promptly.

    Turkey and England meet in Istanbul on Oct 11 for a potentially explosive Euro 2004 qualifier that will determine the outcome in Group Seven, with the winner qualifying automatically for the finals.

    Fearing a repetition of violence that has often marred games between the two sides, the FA have turned down tickets and urged fans to stay away.
    :)
     
  13. Manny

    Manny New Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Denmark
    Michael Severn
    ANKARA - The big news from Sunday's hugely anticipated Galatasaray-Fenerbahce derby was that there was... well, no news. No news, that is, of the violence in or outside the stadium which has unfortunately been part and parcel of these affairs for so long.

    On the contrary, the fans were on their very best behavior. Inside the Ataturk Olympic Stadium, Istanbul police chief Celalettin Cerrah had cordons of officers manning the wire fences which separated the rival groups but as it turned out they were not needed. There were no attempted attacks nor, even in a game which featured a number of highly controversial refereeing decisions, was the foul language nowadays routine at all matches these days much in evidence.

    Outside the stadium there was the rare sight of Galatasaray supporters presenting busloads of arriving Fener fans with flowers -- red and yellow flowers, of course. Many rival supporters traveled home together afterwards and this even extended to the players. Fener defender Fatih Akyel grabbed a ride with Galatasaray doctor Serhan Kurtulmus along with his former Galatasaray team mate Hakan Sukur and young Sabri Sarioglu.

    So at last the fans sent a message that they really can behave well, a message of peace and tolerance. That was much needed after the behavior of the Fener supporters last weekend and ahead of the Euro 2004 qualifier between Turkey and England at Fener's Sukru Saracoglu Stadium on Oct. 11.
     
  14. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Sheffield Wednesday
    England
    Nov 7, 2001
    alright then ,lads...
    I get the point...
    The game wasnt as bad as the press were saying..

    BTW- eurosport showed that serie B riot and got the captions mixed up.lol
     
  15. Manny

    Manny New Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Denmark
    That is alright sinner_ronald_monk :) That Serie B riot was crazy!
     
  16. sendorange

    sendorange Member+

    Jun 7, 2003
    Bigsoccer.com
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Well this is encouraging news. I'm fed up with violence and hostility at games regardless of where it is. It's bad enough when it's the players, let alone the fans as well.

    Passion is good, letting it spill over into hatred is bad and should continue to be rooted out of football.
     
  17. Matt Scholer

    Matt Scholer New Member

    Jul 20, 2003
    I'm glad you could finally see the light.
    Just remember to keep this incident in mind next time you read some negative news about Turkish fans in the English press.

    What I'm curious about is, why would the BBC go to such lengths to fabricate a false story?

    It all comes back to what I've been saying from the get go: the English media are implementing an unfair and unjust smear campaign. Take a look at the Sun and contrast what's written in that paper with what actually happened at the match, and you'll get the picture.

    One would assume the BBC would be more trustworthy and objective, however they've proven they too can LIE.

    If that's the case, I wonder why certain people were causing a scene when I pointed out that the Hakan Sukur comment about declining a peaceful photo shoot wasn't actually made?

    When Hakan Sukur denied making such a comment, certain people claimed it was the BBC reporting, so Sukur must be lieing to save face.

    Now that we've seen and realized that such obvious manipulation is made in the English press, perhaps it's time to step back and reconsider the validity of other stories which I've been questioning as well.

    Obvously, in light of this most recent BBC lie, one has to wonder what else has been manipulated to cause mass hysteria and anti-turkish sentiment among English fans just before the Turkey-England game in October.
     
  18. Mobile

    Mobile New Member

    Jul 29, 2002
    Melbourne
    Look, stop trying to make out that your bizarre conspiracy theories have been proved correct.

    The BBC haven't lied - there's nothing factually inaccurate in their story at all. Certainly nothing to validate your claims that there is some sort of huge propaganda machine in motion to make the Turkish fans look like animals.

    The fact is, most of them manage to make themselves look like animals without any effort at all from the English press.

    Oh, and stop blathering on about the Sun, will you? It's toilet paper, we all know that.
     
  19. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Matt Scholer.

    OK then - why don't you go to the game against England wearing an England shirt and waving a Union Jack or Cross of St.George and see how you get on.

    You don't think that possibly, just possibly, the fans might have been on their best behaviour do you. The truth is that football hooligans, (they're not fans), throughout Europe in England, Italy, Turkey and elsewhere need to be stopped. That's not going to happen with bloody idiots like you providing justification in even the smallest measure when they commit their cowardly acts.

    You don't think that's what you're doing - bu you are. How much of a step is it between saying 'they're being unfair to us' and 'let's do something about it'.

    For my part I will unreservedly criticise England fans who act badly and will accept no excuse. Guess how many times I've heard people bleating, "We don't go looking for trouble" - 'No, you don't have to mate - you know where it is to start with' is always my response.

    I expect the same from you.
     
  20. Barish

    Barish New Member

    Jun 28, 2003
    Istanbul, Turkey
    Andy,

    I'm with you on this mate. You are talking right, and no shite. Hooliganism is hooliganism, and it must be stopped asap, wherever that it is.

    Just a quick note before I go: I'm a Turk.

    Cheers.
     
  21. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Northern Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    And you're in Scotland ;)
     
  22. Matt Scholer

    Matt Scholer New Member

    Jul 20, 2003
    1-I have openly criticzed hooliganism, so don't you dare sink to that level and assume I condone it.

    2-This BBC story was a fabrication, all facts prove that the story was innacurate

    3-There's a difference between understanding that 'hooligans' exist and labelling millions of fans as a bunch of 'animals'.

    THat is the distinction I'm trying to get across here, but it's falling on deaf ears because you're all so caught up with this 'Turkish fans are like animals' BS, which is not true. Yes there are hooligans but not all are like that-yet I hardly see any English fan making that distinction. Instead they prefer to condemn them all.
     
  23. Matt Scholer

    Matt Scholer New Member

    Jul 20, 2003
    yes there is.

    1-THere was no riot (as proven by the other newsstories I copy pasted as well eyewitness accounts)

    2-The picxture they printed was from a night game and this game happened in broad daylight

    So yes, the BBC printed a story with major inaccuracies.

    Does this mean all Turkish fans are angels?
    No..Just like all English fans aren't angels.

    However there's no need to make up false stories.
     
  24. Barish

    Barish New Member

    Jun 28, 2003
    Istanbul, Turkey
    Aye.


    That was the closest I could get to England without getting hurt ;)
     
  25. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I didn't assume anything. If you read my post again you will realise I was saying that that is what you are EFFECTIVELY doing in providing part of the 'back-drop' or culture of antagonism between us. There have been problems with hooliganism in Turkey - that's a fact. A BBC report not being entirely accurate, (which, strangely enough, we are aware happens), doesn't change that.
    And your source for this is???

    Look, the BBC reported it one way, someone else saw something different, so what. Oh, I forgot. The ref having to be escorted from the pitch by armed guard is a cheery local custom with no sinister overtones. There just doing that in case he loses his way what with all the fans congraulating him and all...

    Have you any idea how lame you sound?
    Agreed. That's why I didn't do it.
    For god's sake grow up.
     

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