Newest F'up Chivas/Expansion

Discussion in 'Archives: CD Chivas USA' started by galperin, Nov 9, 2003.

  1. galperin

    galperin Member

    Feb 1, 2001
    Maineville, OH
    http://www.soccertimes.com/wagman/2003/nov08.htm

    What the fruck? This stuff is getting totally out of hand.

    If Chicago is taken over by Club America, most Fire fans will revolt! How could MLS even think of this?

    San Jose being taken over by Bayer L? Strange, but the LD conection makes some sense. At least they probably would not target a whole new fan base.

    Rochester coming in next year? Cleveland in trouble? AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! This is a mess.
     
  2. riverplate

    riverplate Member+

    Jan 1, 2003
    Corona, Queens
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    This is as interesting as hell! Some short takes on it:

    Cleveland sounds like a feeling-out process. The guy's trying to get all he can from the city, and may very well pick up the rest of the tab when he finds out exactly how much the city is willing to kick in. I think he's just squeezing right now to get the lay of the land. He may very well be sincere. Why go through all this bother if you're not really interested in owning an MLS franchise? And he may actually be interested in having some of his cash on hand to run the club, instead of having every dime going into construction of the stadium.

    I'd prefer America to run an expansion franchise.

    Will the league and Anschutz please let Vergara put his club in San Diego if he wants.

    I hope Vergara pushes hard on the matter of contracts. The league needs to get out of this business of holding all the contracts. They can still have caps and restrictions yet permit the clubs themselves to own the players. Who knows, it might even inspire more loyalty from players if they are under contract to a club instead of to a league. You can get very loyal to a company or institution if you feel they are treating you right.

    If you or I wanted to play for the New York Yankees or the Los Angeles Lakers, then that's who should be paying us and that's were our hearts should be. Who wants to play "only" for MLB or the NBA and have them move us around as they see fit, as can happen now in MLS?

    It might be all right for youngsters entering the league to have to play someplace they aren't happy in, until they pay their dues, so to speak. I'm sure LeBron James isn't nuts about being with the Cavs, but he'll someday be able to move on his own. But, in MLS, let's give the vets and the clubs some well-deserved freedom. Vergara pushing this issue will help end the current practices that much quicker. I hope he continues fighting.
     
  3. Detective40oz

    Detective40oz Member

    Jun 16, 2000
    Fairfax, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    well maybe it is true, Soccer in america will never make it without foreign help. I want American soccer to stay american soccer, not just a league pandering to all the euros and mexicans who want to see their home teams duplicated here in the states. If this is the current trend, I'll have to say goodbye to my beloved MLS.
     
  4. Femfa

    Femfa New Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Go then, and good riddance. And let the door hit ya on your way out.

    Some MLS love you have. Investors for the league - a chance to break the single-entity stranglehold that has stifled legitimacy and diversity (even as it kept the league afloat) and you're quibbling about where it's coming from? Say goodbye, better, to the country and press who minimize and mock the sport, not outside investors who respect and value it - nor their fans here in the U.S. that have kept the sport's profile up, made it profitable in certain markets and are the reason for the investors being interested.

    It's a global game - and a true league is global as well, with players and investment. Or did you notice a Russian buying into the EPL? Man, the isolationist attitude of some people is frightening. Get over yourselves. It's going to help the league. It's going to make it better, more competitive, popular and more and all you can do is whine, whine,whine.
     
  5. uclacarlos

    uclacarlos Member+

    Aug 10, 2003
    east coast
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    1,121,089 mexicans live in the Chicago area. Mexicans actually WATCH futbol. Go figure.

    And most ppl are reasonable and don't abandon their teams b/c THE MEXICANS ARE COMING, THE MEXICANS ARE COMING!

    Yeah, SJ doesn't need to tap into the 981,311 Mexicans into the Bay Area. They don't need any fans, they're doing quite well on their own.

    Only b/c you're paranoid. Breeaathe. Exhale. Breathe. Exhale. Read books to cultivate the mind. Exhale...
     
  6. efren95

    efren95 Member

    Apr 20, 2000
    Republic of Texas
    Calm down... calm down..

    Don't curse the yack owner before you ask for it...

    Wait till we cross the bridge before passing judgment about the river...
     
  7. efren95

    efren95 Member

    Apr 20, 2000
    Republic of Texas
    We, in the Republic of Texas are crying as of now...

    Pierces our heart such a melodramatic goodbye...

    See you in heaven..
     
  8. efren95

    efren95 Member

    Apr 20, 2000
    Republic of Texas
    We should iron-cast your words and place at the Home Depot's entrance...

    Well said. Some MLSers are the biggest whiners on this side of the Atlantic...
     
  9. Greddy

    Greddy Member

    Jun 24, 2003
    Chicago
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Newest F'up Chivas/Expansion

    I totally understand this, and my apprehension has nothing to do with the nationality of the new owners(I happen to be a mexican american). I think the most important thing to note, in regards to new ownership in Chicago, is that unlike most other MLS fans, Fire fans by in large are 100% happy with our management. Things are great the way they are, and they are only getting better. The idea of some new owners(foreign yes, but really any owner from outside of Chicago) coming in and possibly fundamentally changing the team we love is a very scary thought. That's why I am really against America buying the Fire. Now San Jose is a different case. It is well known that the quake fans are not at all happy with their current management. Maybe America can help.
     
  10. Kqql

    Kqql Member

    Sep 22, 2003
     
  11. FairWeatherFan

    Sep 9, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
     
  12. Michael K.

    Michael K. Member

    Mar 3, 1999
    There or Thereabouts
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reasonable here? Ha.
    But change it to The English, The Germans or The Dutch Are Coming!! and a lot of people would be rolling out the red carpet.

    Discuss.
     
  13. galperin

    galperin Member

    Feb 1, 2001
    Maineville, OH
    Re: Re: Newest F'up Chivas/Expansion

    Yes, they would roll out the red carpet. Why?

    Because they wouldn't try to load the roster with all Dutch, or all English! THAT'S WHY!!!

    And to anybody who wants to call me racist, paranoid, isolationist, xenephobic, or anything else...piss off.
     
  14. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good riddance!

    Adios Fire!

    Viva Chivas de Chicago!
     
  15. FairWeatherFan

    Sep 9, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Re: Re: Re: Newest F'up Chivas/Expansion

    well put. I won´t piss off (due to the fact that I agree with you)!
     
  16. dl

    dl New Member

    Sep 16, 2000
    Cambridge, MA
    Quite frankly, I don't care who owns the teams as long as MLS adheres to the roster guidelines and the league ownership of player contracts. BUT, if Club America does buy the Fire and decides to rebrand and make it "Club America of Chicago" that will be a real shame. Love them or hate them, the Chicago Fire are one of the best branded teams in the league, they have great fans of "the Chicago Fire" and they've always had pretty classy looking gear. If Club America owns the Fire and runs the Fire and decides to leave the Fire as the Fire, fine. I think we've already seen that Mexicans as a whole do not respond to "Mexican Players" (See Luis Hernandez). Why should they necessarily respond to a team with 3 Mexican internationals and a few young Mexican-Americans? It will still be an American MLS team.
     
  17. BulaJacket

    BulaJacket Member

    May 9, 2003
    Denver / Cleveland / MN / Jax
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    lol :nod:
    MLS Cup can't get here soon enough...
    of course it'll prolly be 60-90 days by then :)
     
  18. nicodemus

    nicodemus Member+

    Sep 3, 2001
    Cidade Mágica
    Club:
    PAOK Saloniki
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It isn't like Abromovich is loading Chelsea down with Russians. I don't care if the money comes from Martians as long as everybody adheres to the league's rules. If these guys can do something to put more butts in chairs and make more people love soccer in this country, then go for it.
     
  19. BulaJacket

    BulaJacket Member

    May 9, 2003
    Denver / Cleveland / MN / Jax
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Re: Newest F'up Chivas/Expansion

    :nod:
     
  20. BulaJacket

    BulaJacket Member

    May 9, 2003
    Denver / Cleveland / MN / Jax
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    exactly....while some of those against Chivas go over the edge...some of the pro Chivas people don't get that the majority are in line with this statement IMO....
     
  21. BulaJacket

    BulaJacket Member

    May 9, 2003
    Denver / Cleveland / MN / Jax
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Another good post...the point is leave 'the Chicago Fire'....It would be absurd if anyone buys Chicago (or DC United for that matter) and alters them. I would be apalled....I agree; they are maybe the best branded team in MLS. All they have are stadium and possible ownership (only b/c AEG wants to unload 3 teams) issues, not really attendance, fan support, kits, or horrible name issues....Management seems really great in Chicago too. They aren't my favorite thing, but they've quite possibly got the best thing going in MLS. Why mess with it? That's beyond me....Just the same as with Columbus and Rochester (outside of being in MLS :) )....leave em alone :)
     
  22. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp I agree with this sentiment. Plus, none of the MLS teams should be re-branded at this point, regardless of ownership!


    -G
     
  23. yellowbismark

    yellowbismark Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As long as they keep the name/colors, and keep their good general manager than it's all good.
     
  24. Wile Coyote

    Wile Coyote Red Card

    Sep 21, 2000
    Punta del Este, Uru.
    Club:
    Club Nacional de Football
    Rather than make up rumors Xfiles style why not just wait and see what happens and why not wait and see if the mexican investment works out..who knows maybe it will all turn out 4 the better my point...wait and see
     
  25. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    GOOD BYE SAN JOSE, WELCOME AGUILAS USA

    GO FIGURE, no mention of chicago from team president perez Teuffer

    http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/story?id=196544
     

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