New refs on PRO roster

Discussion in 'Referee' started by ptref, Jan 30, 2016.

  1. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looks like PRO has updated the roster for 2016. There are 4 new ARs and 2 new 4ths.
     
  2. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
  3. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    For those unaware, he's a former FIFA ref from Mexico. Now resides in NY....nice guy.
     
  4. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    So is getting appointed as a 4th kind of like getting appointed as a journeyman CR?

    Do appointed 4ths get assigned "easier" games less likely to involve their taking over as CR (or, games less likely to be adversely impacted if a "mere" [for lack of a better word] 4O takes the whistle)?

    Just curious. The closest I get to 4O is when the first member of the next crew shows up toward the end of the second half ;)
     
  5. That Cherokee

    That Cherokee Member

    Mar 11, 2014
    Stillwater, Oklahoma
    Anyone remember the last time an mls center went out and needed to be replaced with the fourth official?
     
  6. SA14mars

    SA14mars Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes. Couple years ago Alan Kelly injured his ankle during warm ups and was replaced by Juan Guzman.
     
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  7. threeputzzz

    threeputzzz Member+

    May 27, 2009
    Minnesota
    I believe they switched at halftime.
     
  8. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    PRO 4th officials also work as referees in lower divisions (NASL, USL)
     
  9. GoDawgsGo

    GoDawgsGo Member+

    Nov 11, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That happens maybe once every 3 years, so the odds of that factoring in to 4O assignments is about 0%. What's more entertaining is if an AR goes down, because then you have someone running line on a pro game that may not have carried a stick in 5+ years.
     
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  10. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Is there anyone who finds this to be news?

    PH
     
  11. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just trying to answer Pittsburgh Ref's question.
     
  12. That Cherokee

    That Cherokee Member

    Mar 11, 2014
    Stillwater, Oklahoma
    That was the point I was trying to make.
     
  13. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Guys thanks, I'm aware that CRs don't gimp up every day. Apart from the likelihood of the CR giving way, there's an unavoidable consequence of that happening. I thought/wondered, maybe the nature of the contest plays a role in who gets picked to 4th which games, based on the impact that said person's unlikely whistlefication might have on said contest. If it were to happen, which it probably won't. Mostly.
     
  14. Law5

    Law5 Member+

    Mar 24, 2005
    Beaverton OR
    What happened to Chris Penso?
     
  15. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's still on the PRO roster. He just dropped off the FIFA Panel. Don't know why? Wasn't that discussed in another thread?
     
  16. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Any idea when any qualifying 4ths would be moved up to the Referee category?
     
  17. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    This is the $1,000,000 question. Many have been on the list of 4ths for several years. Occasionally one
    will get moved up but it is rare. A recent (perhaps the only?) example is Unkel.

    PH
     
  18. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    People usually get taken off the FIFA list early for perceived poor performance in some way or other.

    Another question is what happened to Veronica Perez? She is not on the FIFA Womens AR list,
    which has two new people.
    Did Veronica retire, or was she not re-appointed (replaced) like Penso and Salazar?

    PH
     
  19. refinDC

    refinDC Member

    Aug 7, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This one we can answer:
    After 19 years, eight at the international level, U.S. Soccer assistant referee Veronica Perez has called time on her career. During her career, Perez officiated twelve international tournaments and dozens of friendlies.
    http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/201...-referee-veronica-perez-retires-from-the-game
     
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  20. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Thanks!
    That is better than being taken off involuntarily.

    PH
     
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  21. Thug Mentality

    May 30, 2011
    Sibiga has jumped off the 4th track to the referee list
     
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  22. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Source?
    He did get some games last season as CR, but
    he is still on the 4th's page on the PRO web site, which is apparently updated with the two new guys' names.
    Also Gamble is shown on the referee page but did not have any games as CR last season. Has he been reinstated?

    PH
     
  23. Thug Mentality

    May 30, 2011
    despite the update, there is still some outdated info, like Perez still being on the women's FIFA list, which also isn't including the two new ones at the moment.

    Hall is the source for Sibiga. as well as this photo, which shows all of the groups, R/AR/4th for 2016 PRO. so looks like Gamble is still there.

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  24. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Gamble is back. PRO fired him last year for crappy performances, but they didn't follow the proper procedures to fire him according to the CBA. PSRA took PRO to court and easily won and now he is back.
     
  25. GoDawgsGo

    GoDawgsGo Member+

    Nov 11, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure I'd want to be back under those circumstances.
     

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