New Italian Stadium Update Thread

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  1. indestructible

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    Nice article from Domus magazine on the future of the San Siro:

    https://www.domusweb.it/en/architec...Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1624880143

    Are the lights at San Siro going to be switched off forever?
    What we are used to call the “Scala of football” could be destined to disappear. Roberto Conte photographs Milan’s stadium one last time for Domus.

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    Monuments are messages written in stone to pass on values, emotions, and experiences to the subsequent generations. Not all monuments were designed to be monuments. Sometimes, they become such after a lot of time and effort. This is the case of the Meazza Stadium in Milan, for which the end may come before time, neglect and loneliness devour it, especially now that the authorities have declared that “it does not have any architectural significance” according to the criteria of singularity, uniqueness and specificity of the work, and therefore its demolition cannot be prevented. This declaration has led to an impressive signature collection and the immediate filing of an appeal.

    With the disappearance of the Meazza, we would also have to bid farewell to the world narrated by Gianni Brera, that of Peppino Meazza, “an example of our devastated and yet galliard entozoon, with so much nerve that it amazes anyone who underestimates him. When he became an Inter player, the members were asked to host him as often as possible in order to make him eat steak, a food that he couldn’t eat quite as often at home. At seventeen he was already so good that Bernardini was demoted to midfield. He made Italian football reach European levels.”

    National-popular epic, stories of struggle, redemption, emancipation and glory, written with the words of Pasolini: from those who played in the mud, in the dust, in the grass, in the streets. An entozoon that will become a great experimental social laboratory of internationalization with all the new mixes of people, cultures, colors offered by music and sport.

    Like mass consumption crockery, cars and objects, the San Siro stadium represents a tangle of symbolic relationships in which aesthetics, zeitgeist, imaginary and tribal physical identity are intertwined. With the peculiarity of being unique: phenomenologically speaking, the stadium embodies and concretizes the miracle of the same mix that is so dear to progressive urbanists. The Meazza is the symbol of an era, like the abandoned domed house in Costa Paradiso built by Dante Bini for Monica Vitti and Michelangelo Antonioni or the Istituto Marchiondi in Viganò. Here, the nemesis of sublime and pop coincide: the abandonment, the speculation, or the absence of an adequate cultural policy and a sense of tradition prevent the proper enhancement of unique objects that are irreplaceable evidence.

    It is difficult to contest the matter of singularity, uniqueness and specificity of the work (despite what the Provincial Supervisory Commission has in fact stated, i.e. the non-existence of historical and artistic significance), since it is an arena stadium where sporting events and cultural activities have taken place continuously, and it could celebrate 100 years of history while boasting some great records: besides being the largest Italian stadium and one of the first in Europe, the only one to integrate its development phases from 1926 to 1990, it is still included in the UEFA “Elite List” of stadiums (2016).

    The construction phases of this masterpiece of engineering are very clear and easy to spot even to this day: after a first historical phase led by Ulisse Stacchini (1925), four straight stands, then connected together by Perlasca and Bertera with the introduction of the “Curve” (1935), the 1950s saw the project by Ronca e Calzolari (1955), which contributed to create a strong image with a unified design of an arena surrounded by ramps that hints at a distant twentieth-century neoclassical inspiration. The third ring was created after the collaboration between architects Giancarlo Ragazzi and Enrico Hoffer and engineer Leo Finzi (1990) winner at the age of 36 of the competition for the sports stadium in Genoa, for which he designed the tensile structure by beating Nervi and Daneri (1960-64) , who succeeded in the impossible mission of re-functionalizing the stadium, without stopping the championship, right in time for the 1990 World Cup. Giancarlo Ragazzi, who died in 2017, graduated with Rogers from Gio Ponti’s Polytechnic, was Berlusconi’s trusted architect who, with Edilnord, signed the districts of Milano 2, Milano 3, Il Girasole and Milano Visconti. The “third ring” was “given” to the city by Berlusconi’s Finivest just in time for the World Cup, at the time of the Great Milan of Baresi, Gullit, Van Basten and Sacchi. The rough modernist appeal of the reinforced concrete, the exposed pylon of the projecting roof beams and the gigantism of the independent ring-shaped mega-structure with ten beams and 11 supporting towers is toned down by the attention to architectural details that manage to obtain, despite a partial asymmetry, perfect unity of design, coherence and fusion between the new intervention and the pre-existing structure. A consistency that the beauty of the sections perfectly highlights.

    The adherence to an aesthetic with a distinctly twentieth-century character of the raw concrete and industrial aesthetics links it to more distant and courtly examples, other precursor archetypes and heirs, such as the church of Baranzate di Mangiarotti, the dramatization of the suburbs of Canella, or the “cue” designed by Mario Bellini for the Portello. We would like to preserve it for history, but will we be able to do it? Fortunately, co-author architect Hoffer together with Francesco Ragazzi and others have filed a petition on 16 March for the recognition of the important artistic character of the stadium with the Superintendence of Archeology, Fine Arts and Landscape for the Metropolitan City of Milan and the Ministry of Cultural Heritage, in accordance with art. 20 of the Law on Copyright (Law 633/41), the law that protects contemporary architectural works. While awaiting the outcome of the request, the protest of those who claim that the demand for a new stadium, rather than a real sporting necessity, is yet another real estate operation linked to the increase in building indexes sanctioned by the PGT exploded. Compared to the index of 0.35 per sqm envisaged, the volumetric rights granted would provide for about 50,000 sqm more cement to offset the costs incurred by the promoting companies. A result that is not exactly in line with the green narrative and propaganda: a hot autumn is announced.


     
  2. indestructible

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    Progess from Spezia

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  3. indestructible

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    This made me laugh:

     
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  5. falvo

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    Wow stadio friuli or the dacia arena is pretty spectacular! Never saw it that close. They did a good job with the refurbishing!
     
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  6. indestructible

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    It's been this way for some years. Unfortunately for Udine, they built it under 30k capacity. Meaning they can't host major events

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  7. falvo

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    Unlike American or other cultures, the mentality is different. I don't think Italian owners care too much about revenue from concerts and other events.

    I’m sure Udinese Calcio would welcome the money but I don’t think they look at it that way as much as they don’t want their stadiums to be ruined.

    I think it was Delle Alpi and San Siro that were ruined because of Italia 90 but other events as well....
     
  8. r0adrunner

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    I would have thought attracting as many events as possible - Jim Pallotta spoke of hundreds of events a year in addition to home games at the proposed Stadio della Roma - in order to optimise revenue would be a high priority.
     
  9. indestructible

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    Milan President Paolo Scaroni hopes the Rossoneri will soon have their new stadium: ‘It could be ready in 2025.’

    Scaroni provided updates on the Rossoneri’s new stadium in an interview with Radio Anch’io where he also discussed the club’s targets and Franck Kessié’s contract extension.

    “I can not forget that on Wednesday we will go to Liverpool, a club that earns €100m from the box office, while we get €35m,” Scaroni said.

    “We are at a good point, I am optimistic even if there will be a mayoral election soon. October will be a crucial month. After the approval of the city council, which I hope will happen by the end of the year, it will take six months for the design.

    “At that point, the construction could start in the second half of 2022 and, between 2024 and 2025, it could be ready.

    “The fans know that international football is done with money and without money, you cannot achieve the results that the fans want.”
     
  10. indestructible

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    The Curva Piscina of Spezia has completed work and saw its first game Sunday. It will remain as is for the time being. The next phases will be putting a roof over the opposite curva and rebuilding the tribuna facing the hard camera (also adding a roof)

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  11. indestructible

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    The city of Venice have completed the work on the Stadio Luigi Penzo. They completely rebuilt both curvas and the tribuna facing the camera. Also adding new seats. Aside from this, they also have re-done the locker rooms. They say that if Venice manage to stay in Serie, they will add a roof to all the sections.

    A nice temporary band aid, but not what the city of Venice deserves. It's ok for now

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  12. falvo

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    Watching Venezia -Spezia and they just refurbished Stadio Pier Luigi Penzo and added seating.

    Their capacity though is only 11,150 seats.

    You would think it would be more for Serie A standards....

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  13. indestructible

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    This was the old configuration. I posted the recent Reno’s above
     
  14. falvo

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    Ya I saw that after I posted. It looks real nice on TV. It’s very difficult to build anything in Venice…
     
  15. indestructible

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    Great news for Cagliari. Stadium is ready to go. Demolition of the old Sant'Elia begins in 2023. New Stadium construction begins in 2024. Ready for use in 2025-2026 seson.

    Stadium will have a capacity of 25K to start and expandable to 30k in the event that Italy lands the bid for Euro 2032.



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    The winning project for the new Artemio Franchi.
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  17. Il Ciuccio

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    looks like Juves stadium ?
     
  18. calabrese8

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    Don Rocco is a Juventino.. so i'm not surprised
     
  19. indestructible

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    Commisso isn’t part of this project at all. This is being spearheaded by the city using funds from the EU (Covid recovery fund)
     
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    ahh ok. never really read into it. i just assumed he was funding it.
     
  21. indestructible

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  22. indestructible

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    Tons of stadiums news:

    Sudtirol have unveiled their new stadium a couple of weeks ago. It also comes during a season where they have just been promoted to Serie B. Nice IMO and perfect for a club of their size.





    In the event that they ever get promoted to Serie A, they will create terraces on the north and south ends.

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  23. indestructible

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    The City of Venice have approved plans for a new project they are calling "Bosco dello sport." It's a multi facility project that will include an arena, swimming pool and of course stadium. Venezia FC will not be participating in the funding of the project. This is being entirely spearheaded by the city. Venezia had their own plans to build on the same area, but when it came time to finance it and move ahead with the project, they did not participate.

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    I'm a bit torn on this because while a modern facility is what's needed, there is something charming about the Penzo (even though it's inadequate). The fact that you need a boat to get there is unique. The new stadium will only be 16k capacity
     
  24. indestructible

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    Gewiss Arena of Bergamo will resume construction at the end of the season. Because of the pandemic and issues of inflation of material costs, the stadium will now cost 15% more.

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  25. indestructible

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    The situation in Milan is always volatile. Now with Elliot management selling the majority share of the team to Investcorp (Bahrain fund) the cathedral project is now on hold. Rumors say that Investcorp are looking to build a stadium for AC Milan on their own. If this is the case, they'll have an open road to do this since their are mayors outside of the city of Milan who are very receptive to the idea. This would leave Inter as the sole tenants of the San Siro. There are rumors also that Inter do not have strong finances as they say they do (wow shocker). New stadium in Milan while keeping the San Siro is a massive win/win.

     
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