there is also deschamps .. but im with u in stickin for caro the team improved alot considering its only been 2 games
New coach? No need the problem lies elsewhere. You know as I game in from a Christmas dinner last night I got to see the remaining 20 mins of the first half and the entire second half. However, I was already notified that Punal had been sent off for elbowing Roberto Carlos so I was expecting a steam rolling. I sat down and not only do I not see us have 1 SHOT on goal never mind on target I hear the ball was only in play for 18 minutes. The second half begins and suprise suprise there is no change. A typical Real Madrid performance at the Bernabeu IMO. Lack-lustre, boring, careless and down right pathetic. So the game ends 1-1 and I see automatically all the blame goes to Caro. The problem with Real Madrid is..... no suprise here the players. I have seen us take some hammerings at the Bernabeu but i have never seen such a lack of attitude. The desire is not there from our players. Too me our team last night were 10 (9 when ZZ came on) primadona's who who are counting the days down until Christams break so they can eat turkey and get drunk lol. They have no passion for this club and ultimately that is destroying this club. Legends from the past like Di Stefano, Puskas, Hugo Sanchez, Butragueno and Hierro would have frowned upon that and said, "Am I watching Recreativo or Real Madrid?" Look at the pictures we see of them in training when they appear so united and friendly. Last night they looked like 11 worst enemies who seemed to do a better job finding the 9 outfield Osasuna players than their own. Why do we seek a new manager? Be honest do you really think bringing in a Wenger, Capello, Mourinho or Hitzfelt will really change this mess? Surely the misleading "Galactico" policy is just stretching to the maangerial staff if that's the case. Sure just but a big name manager and all the problems will be resolved? I don't think so because from what I gather from Caro he is actually a good motivator. He has them socialising every friday, a fierce trainer and he even makes more religious players pray before matches. The manager can only do so much and then it's the players who have to do the rest. Caro was quite animated last night but all the instructions went in one ear and out the other. The players are getting to big for their own boots and think because they play for Real Madrid it will all be fine and blow over. Maybe, if you showed some spirit! Osasuna were more skillful than our players last night. They came with their game plan and only for a good goal from Madrid they were denied what they ritually deserved. So what now? Some fans on the board just look to the Santander game and think ow well there way below osasuna and had 3 players sent off against Malaga so we will trounce them because we're REAL MADRID. Play like that and we might not be so lucky to get away with a draw. Players need to learn that just showing up against the so called minow teams isn't good enough and they should want to beat them 5 or 6. I get the impression when watching Barca that they would play a competitive game very day if they could but then when it comes to their arch rivals your lucky if you see the desire to play once a fortnight. A lot of these players( I'm not saying who because I will be ridicuously labelled a Beckham or Raul or Ronnie hater) don't realise who they are playing for. The world's biggest club who's aims are just slightly higher than 2nd place, last 32 of Champions and Copa Del Rey. We trail Baca by 8 points, still in the champions with the easiset possible tie and a game against the re-emerging Bilbao who I'm sure Javier Clemente won't be afraid of the Real Madrid. I suppose if at the end of the season we win nothing(most probable) blame will turn to Perez. The man who buys every player that is requested by the manager and yet gets the blame. I and i'm sure all of use saw the expression on his face lat night when Osasuan scored. Rubbing his hands across his face with his eyes closed with the words "What more can I do?" written all over his face. Yes, he takes us on excursions to Asia and people complain. Let's remind you that they are professional football players who have no other job and our on 100,000 a week and they are TIRED. I don't fall for the sob story because people who earn have their weekly income in a year could show better fitness and determination. Give Caro till the end of the season and we'll see that it's the players who need changing not him.
Ya i dun see another coach changing this mess, i didn't agree with the sacking of luxa even if he was an idiot.We should keep caro and give him alittle bit more time.Im hes under soo muhc pressure, iits soo hard when u dun have security in ur job, they could fire the next game.Thats hard for a coach
i can answer that for him, if wat we've been hearin is tru ( and it seems quite obvious it is ) perez has quite a large say on who can and cant be benched and who stays and who gets fired so wat can he do u ask ? .. he can keep caro til the end of the season, and let him pick the line ups on his own .. some players need to be dropped but we all so wat happened to camacho when he did that, at the time i hated camacho for leavin but lookin back i respect him for doin so, if it was tru n he wasnt given the full freedom to do wat he wanted why should he stick around n get blamed for the mistakes of others
I agree with you for the most part, but I still say it differently. The coach is responsible for picking the players and making the substitutions. I thought Lopez Caro did a decent job in taking off Robinho & Baptista who were struggling. The subs helped build some momentum. But I don't buy your canard that the players were not trying. Look at how many times Guti was hacked down. Look at Beckham being raked by the studs in the chest. But effectiveness is not the same thing as effort.
Although it was my fault for incorrectly phrasing what I previously said I'm just going to substantiate on the point now. Basically I was complaining that they were not trying hard enough. I don't think they work together. They don't close down in units and I don't think there are 2 players in the team that can say they have a real understanding of the others game. Last year I would have said Guti and Ronaldo but even their connection has been ineffective on the whole this season. I was just hugely disappointed that a team off 11 so called superstars were unable to break down 10 man Osasuna. OK let's credit the boys for pamplona for their resiliance but we should have been able to break them done regardless of their position in the table. We never stretched them which inevitablly would have made their players increasingly fatigued for the latter stages of the game. Finally when I watched the game again there on Sky Sports I did notice that they started to try when they scored their goal? One surely must question why it took them 83 mins to notch it up a gear? Also I like your point about bringing on ZZ and Soldado because in effect that got us our point. He might as well of tok the risk and it nearly paid off. I crave for Soldado to shart versus Racing instead of Baptista and have a double centre forward partnership.
Lopez caro is the guy we should have... he's got team work and quality, though his just not enough experienced for Real Madrid suitings... Wonder what'll happen... Lopez Caro needs a little time............................
All this is spot on. Look for example at Oasasuna's organization and how quickly one or two men came to pressure Robinho or Beckham in the wings -much like Barcelona do their pressure from the moment they lose the ball-. This can be countered by quick movements of the players without the ball that never took place. And when players know exactly what to do and that it brings success they're more likely to use an extra effort.Even a group theoretically worse players like Osasuna always were able to get free of our pressure thanks to clever movements of their players. Obviously, a coach cannot make a team play like this in two weeks. Hm, a burst of morale from being finally able to actually shoot to goal, I suppose.
From the reports I have read, it does look very likely, unfortunately, that a new coach will be introduced. The candidates in my openion are Wenger, Deschamps, and Le Guen... Wenger has had plenty of headaches in London this year, so it wouldn't be a total shock for me if he decides to leave, but it would completely shock me is that he would join Real. He has a project there and he wants to build a legacy as the first coach for Arsenal in the new stadium. I doubt that he would actually quit in the first place... He is not that type of person. Deschamps, is in my openion, one of the most overrated coaches around... I don't like him at all. Le Guen has a proven track record, but can he turn this team around, with all of the egos that it contains. I doubt it... Why not stick with Caro then? Don't ask me that question, ask the President...
AS is reporting that they've announced Caro will remain as coach for the rest of the year. Good move. They need to worry about coaches after they fix their player situation. Ronaldo, Roberto Carlos, Baptista...all need to be shown the exit. I find it quite amusing that our best player on and off the field has been a 19 year old that was brought in just last August...already showing the signs of a true leader. Gut the team and start fresh. Try getting some more Spanish-born players on the team, players that actually realize what it means to wear that jersey. Keep up with the youth movement, signing good young players with huge upsides. Maybe they work out, maybe they don't but at least they'll try to make a name for themselves. I also read in Marca that Figo says Ronaldo told him something privately about his future career, but that he is sworn to keep it private (so why mention it in the first place?).
I'm happy enough. He is playing the tactics that seem to fit the majority of the players, so at least there won't be more tactical unheavel in the coming weeks. On the downside he has no experience (particularly in crunch CL matches), but he has a better feel to him than Remon ever did, more of a Del Bosque feel, he said misty eyed.
I'm glad to see that a number of posters agree that bringing in a big "galactico" manager is not the solution for January. What I really want to raise is now what with the transfers. We have been kept in the dark over the transfer decisions, however, we were told that lal decisions would be made after the Racing game. Presumably now that the managerial situation has been resolved there have been discussions on new players?
A good start. Now my only other hope is that Perez stays the hell out of the way and lets Caro do what he needs to do -- that includes benching the whining and petulant Brazilians, benching Beckham, and giving some of the cantera (Soldado, De La Red, Balboa) a chance. A creative / left mid and a LB over the winter wouldn't hurt, either.
I agree with this one. Changing coaches again would not sit well in the dressing room. We had Guti, Beckham and Baptista saying in public that they like Caro, and others saying that they don't like to switch coaches so much. Caro is not a bad solution when coming to think of it. He is manageable by both the club and most importantly the players. In truth, the players just want to be able to work and to have the opportunity of fixing the problems by themselves with the least interference possible, and that's what they are getting with Caro, and which they were not with Luxemburgo. In an article in AS the reporter said that the team doesn't have to have an "author" (probably poor translation) for a coach, in other words, a star coach who wants to make not a team, but something "special" and different from the norm that he can put his signature on because it is short of unique. Luxemburgo was trying to be an artist way too much. Players moved around to different positions, unusual tactics (Baptista on the left, Robihno the lone striker, Beckham in the middle, Guti down, middle, up, Raul up and then lower in the field, no wings....too much too handle, too much to do). Caro is a simple guy while at the same time a good professional. What he does is simple: 1st Fitness. Double training sessions as in the rest of Europe. Provide the players with the base, with the basic edge. 2nd Normal tactics: open up the field using the sides, having a midfield with a DM and with an attacking pivot (AM). One covers the back of the other. No two DMS or a single one with the players capable of doing CM on the sides instead. With Luxemburgo, it is worth noting, we played with one fixed midfielder in the middle, not two (and the others helping this and that). Caro is very straightforward: two players in the middle. 3rd positioning: no experimentation unless needed. Beckham to the side, strikers are strikers etc... . Robihno is the one who has played on the left, why? because there is nobody to play on the left and it is a logical idea: Robihno is still too weak to face defenses through the middle and still not used to the play here. So, we move Robihno to the side where he can have a little more space until he is ready. Nothing wrong with that. You saw what he did in Malaga, which was a start. Ramos in the middle? well, maybe. That's the only one to make sure on as there are other options, but there is time. If Caro applies logic in this way, what is left is simply psychological work: get the players happy, build their self confidence. To this end I saw another article in the press that was actually very good to show that Caro is not such a simple coach. His right hand is actually a psychologist. A bold headed guy who seems to be a serious type who goes everywhere with him, is present in all his conversations with the players and at all press conferences where players are. He tells Caro how to act and what it is that he has to say to the players based on what he thinks they need. He is very actively involved, and Caro shows that he knows what he is doing. Caro also employes other techniques to get players together, some of them criticized for being religious (he does ask them to pray in silence all together before the game), or like joining hands and shoulders and scream before coming out (the Castilla players say something like "Honor and strenght!"), or like actually having a break on Friday's training to have a beer or a drink on the field, get together, talk to each other.... He has the right ideas in mind, however I am not so sure about the players in some key positions (let's see what happens in January), and I do think that he is worth a chance. I am happy he got one.
Mostly agree with you - especially your point #2 - Caro has said in an interview that playing with the two in the middle allows everyone's tasks to be simplified and unmistakeable. People have also said, though, that he is very knowledgeable of tactics, so as things progress we may see some pleasant, but sutble, adjustments made for specific matches.
Robinho played on the right against Malaga.All his best performances for madrid have been when he is playing on the right.
Its official!! Lopez Caro stays till the end of the season as real madrid look for a big name manager
i think this means that they hv struck a deal with some top notch manger to come in summer (read capello). coz i dun think ne manager would leave his team halfway in the season and switch clubs. hence though this means good news for lopez caro for the moment. i think it'll def be end of road for him in summer unless he pulls off a marvelous performance
That is not how things work at RM. Just like with Garcia Remon & Luxa - if the team has a bad month then Lopez Caro is gone. Otherwise, he stays. There is no Capello plan at this time.