Alert: NEW COACH - Jürgen Klinsmann

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by StevenTacle, Jul 29, 2011.

  1. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    at the pitch
    Club:
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Old habits are hard to give up, eh, Sam? :D
     
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  2. snahdog

    snahdog Member

    Mar 31, 2006
    Atlanta
    In Germany the general opinion is that this is a skill he picked up while living in the US.
     
  3. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    America has produced some World Class BSters.

    [​IMG]
     
  4. KickersFTW

    KickersFTW Member+

    Jan 12, 2012
    RVA (Soccer hotbed)
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thank you Congress
     
  5. swedust

    swedust Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    Maybe I'm just feeling argumentative after trying to get my high schooler to finish her Walt Whitman essay, but honestly: as many opportunities as he squandered during his first calendar year in charge of the team (particularly as relate to personnel chosen and how they were deployed), my eyes* tell me that there were elements of the squad's performance in the last two matches that indicate he may be starting to have a positive impact on the development/progress of the team.

    I supported Bradley to a large extent**; I was skeptical from JK's first match; I still have several warning lights that, while not flashing red, are by no means shut off; I have zero faith in Sunil; I do believe that JK has more than a touch of arrogance and inflated self belief; I belief he was very slow to recognize the gap between what he imagined would be effective and what little was actually working from his first dozen games.

    With all that said, I remain willing to believe -- based on the dynamism that came through in bits and pieces in the Russia and Honduras matches -- that he is capable of getting through to this group of players and leading them effectively.

    We'll know soon...but will we know soon enough?

    * which have not seen a replay of the Honduras match
    ** though I was not in favor of his being retained after WC2010
     
  6. Flyin Ryan

    Flyin Ryan Member

    May 13, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Bob Bradley knew tactics at least.

    Jurgen Klinsmann is just Hugo Sanchez. (that would make Bradley Lavolpe)
     
  7. Adiaga Two

    Adiaga Two Member+

    Oct 4, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's a frightening mixture of Hugo Sanchez, Ruud Gullit, Isiah Thomas, and Rex Ryan.

    Would throw Sven-Goran Eriksson in there, but that would be giving JK too much credit.
     
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  8. Flyin Ryan

    Flyin Ryan Member

    May 13, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Isiah is an unfair comparison. If we had lost to Antigua last fall, then I'd say he could be compared to Isiah.

    Sanchez is actually a good analogy. Sanchez talked a lot of hot air about what an idiot the current national coach was and how he'd do better running Mexico. Once in place, did about the same as Lavolpe. Klinsmann's massive backers on BigSoccer talked a lot of hot air about what idiots Arena and Bradley were as national coaches, Bradley's hiring demonstrated everything that was wrong with American soccer and Klinsmann represented everything on how it could be better, Bradley being hired instead of Klinsmann shows why Sunil should be fired (funny how people have forgotten that narrative after Klinsmann's hiring and it's now become BigSoccer fan wisdom that Klinsmann is Sunil's Best Friend Forever), give the team a more Latin style, and put in place a top-down change in the structure of U.S. Soccer starting with the youth soccer system.
     
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  9. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    at the pitch
    Club:
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is a fairly impressive recreation in a short form.

    Here is the other thing that most folks really don't realize. Sunil is really a soccer fan (and not like that's a bad thing). He is also brilliant, however, he did not start out as a soccer guy but as a fan.
    More than a few insiders have suggested that his fanlike appreciation of JK blinded him in his hiring. Again, this is not my theory only one that was mentioned to me (on more than one occasion).
     
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  10. Flyin Ryan

    Flyin Ryan Member

    May 13, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well the same tendency has been noticed in the NBA. Guys were wondering why lawyers that were basketball GMs were more successful than ex-players, and one reason why the ex-players get hired even with no proven GM ability is the owners themselves are fans and so hire the former player(Jordan, Bird, Isiah, McHale, Elgin Baylor). Not to say it's impossible to be a good player and a good GM, Jerry West and Joe Dumars won a title as GM at Detroit.
     
  11. West Coast Futbol

    May 7, 2008
    The Beach
    The thread that keeps on giving and giving ...
     
  12. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...and the point of this massive bump was...?

    *re-reads thread from the beginning.*

    Oh, I see! :rolleyes:
     
  13. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

    Jun 8, 2005
    Long Beach, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ist es Weihnachten schon?
     
  14. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Man awesome to see some
    People blindly supported jurgen from the get go and others hated him already.

    Either way it was always going to be a bumpy ride
     
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  15. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you only enter threads to make sweeping and generalized pronouncements about the stupidity of other posters, without even bothering to quote them or explain yourself?
     
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  16. Untroubled by Reason

    Dec 5, 2007
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Absolutely. Looking at what he did with Germany in the run-up to WC06, his actions with the US have been strikingly similar, and should not have caused a lot of surprises.
    - Starting unexpected players, even in key games? Check.
    - Using unconventional combinations/formations? Check.
    - Leaving "mortal lock" players out of important games? Check.

    The German soccer-viewing public thought Klinnsman had lost his mind, but he took a team that had fallen out of favor before the World Cup and made them a winner.

    I'm certain no one will mistake the US team that arrives at WC14 for Germany's 06 side. But I feel this will be a US team that could make the quarterfinals, unless they land in a Group of Death or suffer key injuries late.
     
  17. Bookmesir

    Bookmesir Member

    Oct 14, 2012
    Club:
    FC Aarau
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought this was a new thread following our performances in the past two Hex qualifiers, with a sarcastic nod to how much better we have looked under a "new" Klinsmann (as compared to the "old" Klinsmann we were ready to fry after losing to Honduras and the article in The Sporting News that generated so much bullsh*t). o_O
     
  18. West Coast Futbol

    May 7, 2008
    The Beach
    I bumped the thread as a reminder that JK's tenure IMO should be judged based on his results in the 2014 WC knock out rounds.

    This thread highlights the folly of spouting off.

    It's Christmas everyday ...
     
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  19. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Things weren't as bad as they seemed after the Honduras loss and the Sporting News article.

    Things aren't as good as they seem after this past month's games.
     
  20. Untroubled by Reason

    Dec 5, 2007
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ^ This.

    If the US doesn't come up with the late goal against Jamaica at the office, and if Blas Perez, arguably Panama's best player, is healthy for that match at Seeattle, we might be having a wee bit different discussion.
     
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  21. papermache16

    papermache16 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And if the AR had called offside on Beckford, and if Landon Donovan was with us for the entire hex...
     
  22. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

    Jun 8, 2005
    Long Beach, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ho Ho Ho.
     
  23. SPA2TACU5

    SPA2TACU5 Member+

    Jul 27, 2001
    ATX
    ...
     
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  24. Friedel'sAccent

    Friedel'sAccent Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Providence, RI
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey there. Snark-bumps aren't helpful or constructive, especially not in News + Analysis. Thanks a lot for understanding.
     
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