Never heard a sweeter sounding word than Feyenoord part 2

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by feyenoordsoccerfan, Jun 4, 2012.

  1. https://www.fr12.nl/nieuws/55407-ochtendjournaal-feyenoord-tuimelt-van-roze-wolk.html
    Dutch press on Feyenoord's "performance" against Sparta:

    Google translation:

    The Dutch press likes to write about Feyenoord. The day after the draw against Sparta Rotterdam in De Kuip, FR12.nl lists in the section the Morning News what is written about the current number four of the Eredivisie in the national morning papers.

    De Telegraaf sees that Feyenoord is still looking for the ideal team. It is incomprehensible that Dick Advocaat is satisfied with a draw. In their own stadium, Feyenoord should be much stronger against Sparta. The budget of the Rotterdammers is not nearly as big as that of Ajax or PSV, but it is still many times larger than that of Sparta and so the quality of the selection is also better. After half time, Feyenoord only produced one harmless shot on goal and did not create one chance. ''

    In the opinion of the newspaper, everyone scored unsatisfactory. Except for the goalkeeper of the stadium club, who was again very important to his team. The only bright spot in these times remains goalkeeper Justin Bijlow, who seems unperturbed and makes a crucial save in every game. He did that in the final minute, when he saw substitute Deroy Duarte rushing towards him. Bijlow stayed cool and turned the stakes. ''

    After the good match against Willem II, expectations for Feyenoord were high. The Algemeen Dagblad therefore headlines: "Feyenoord is tumbling from a pink cloud." The newspaper wonders how things can go so wrong with the same players. How can the decline be so gigantic? From a 9 as a report mark to a 3, in fourteen days. Where were the stars against Willem II, Teixeira and Berghuis, this time? Sparta fully adjusted to their functioning, but still. Berghuis was certainly not the player who almost all of the country thought he deserved a base place in Orange. Uros Spajic was still calm in Tilburg, but made too many violations in De Kuip and in that way also initiated the unnecessary 1-1. ''

    Trouw also saw another Feyenoord emerge and that is not the first time. '' Inconstancy is a recurring theme at Feyenoord, '' is the verdict. "The team is just as changeable as the Dutch weather. Two weeks ago, against Willem II, it showed the best football in years. Not a new one, but a worrying observation in the knowledge that Feyenoord is entering busy weeks with European football. ''



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  2. Teak

    Teak Member+

    Feyenoord, VfB Stuttgart, Valencia
    Nov 22, 2008
    Grain Belt
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    From some news sites, it looks like Berghuis might want to move in the winter transfer window. Only 5 matches in, and we're already 4th, behind PSV and Ajax. Ajax have a 19-year-old striker who puts 5 past hapless VVV, and we will likely struggle to get shots on goal against them.
     
  3. https://www.voetbalprimeur.nl/nieuw...de-grond-ingeboord-dat-vind-ik-heel-dom-.html
    Kees van Wonderen criticizes Feyenoord and Feyenoord talents for not chosing to play at Go Ahead Eagles. He tells it would be very good for the talents to play in the second tier to gain experience. I think he's on point with his criticism, as this is a continuation of the stupid mistake not to have a Young Feyenoord team in that league.
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    Jeugdopleiding Feyenoord de grond ingeboord: 'Dat vind ik heel dom'
    Gepubliceerd: zaterdag 31 oktober 2020 om 19:42
    Kees van Wonderen heeft geen goed woord over voor zijn oude club Feyenoord. De trainer van Go Ahead Eagles stelt dat er veel meer uit de jeugdopleiding van de Rotterdamse club gehaald moet worden en vindt dat er te weinig jeugdspelers doorbreken in het eerste elftal.



    Het verbaast Van Wonderen dat jeugdspelers van Feyenoord liever kiezen voor het O21-elftal van de club, dan voor zijn Go Ahead dat in de Keuken Kampioen Divisie actief is. Dat zou volgens de trainer een uitstekende leerschool zijn voor veel jeugdspelers van Feyenoord. "Het is goed om op de toppen van je tenen te lopen. Ik heb dan ook een aantal jongens uit de jeugdopleiding van Feyenoord gepolst om hier te komen spelen. Sommige zijn heel terughoudend. Dat vind ik heel dom", stelt Van Wonderen in gesprek met RTV Rijnmond.

    "Je had hier een jaar Keuken Kampioen Divisie kunnen spelen. Dan kom je echt rijper en op een hoger niveau terug", stelt Van Wonderen. "Sommigen kiezen er toch voor om voor Onder 21 te blijven spelen en de club kiest daar ook voor. Dat is hun keuze, maar ik vind het niet verstandig."

    Van Wonderen uit dan ook kritiek op het beleid van Feyenoord wat betreft de jeugdopleiding. "Dat zou de grote levensader van de club moeten zijn; het opleiden van enorm getalenteerde spelers. Op de een of andere manier komen er maar geen spelers door. Dat is doodzonde, dat zou juist het wapen of een belangrijke pijler van de club moeten zijn. Dat is één voorbeeld, maar zo zijn er nog wel meer."






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  4. https://www.ad.nl/regiosport-rotterdam/feyenoord-legt-talent-mike-kleijn-15-vast~a3dbd3d5/
    Feyenoord has 15 yo Mike Kleijn sign a 3 year contract.

    He for sure is smarter in his choices than much older youth players, given this comment:
    "Er was volop interesse uit het buitenland voor de middenvelder, maar die heeft een ander traject voor ogen. ,,Het was niet moeilijk om die interesse links te laten liggen’', zegt Kleijn. ,,Eerst doorbreken in Nederland en het goed doen in het eerste elftal en dan pas verder kijken, zo zie ik het. Ik speel al sinds mijn zesde jaar voor Feyenoord. Vanaf de leeftijdscategorie onder 12 jaar mocht ik steeds aansluiten bij een leeftijdsgroep hoger. Het laatste jaar is het snel gegaan.’'

    "There was plenty of interest from abroad for the midfielder, but he has a different trajectory in mind. "It was not difficult to ignore that interest," says Kleijn. “First break through in the Netherlands and do well in the first team and only then look further, that's how I see it. I've been playing for Feyenoord since I was six. From the age category under 12 years, I was always allowed to join an age group higher. The past year has been fast. "




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  5. A must win this evening 21:00 cet:
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    After a draw and a stolen match we already dropped 5 points. To stay relevant we must win.




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  6. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Lucky there is no VAR in this match. The third goal was off sides.
     
  7. Well, it doesnot compensate the last match travesty.
    Anyway, Feyenoord played really good and with energy.
    Malacia and Haps were excellent.
    Only problem with all clubs right now it seems a big issue to have more than 1 match in a week and play well.
    So let's see how they do next competition match.




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  8. Feyenoord has been unbeaten in the Eredivisie in 2020 up till now.
    These are the matches to go to make it the whole of 2020
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  9. marley g

    marley g New Member

    Santos FC
    United States
    Oct 25, 2020
    ea$T$1de k.i.1.1.a.z.
  10. Teak

    Teak Member+

    Feyenoord, VfB Stuttgart, Valencia
    Nov 22, 2008
    Grain Belt
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Tomorrow against Fortuna Sittard, Feyenoord are without Bijlow, Haps, Malacia, and Bozenik. Marsman will start as will Johnston in the left back position. Apparently Jorgensen is fit so maybe Linssen will sit out the start.

    Spajic was exposed to a fellow Serbian NT squad member with Covid, so he has to stay in Rotterdam and quarantine. Botteghin and Senesi will be the CB pairing.
     
  11. #3036 feyenoordsoccerfan, Nov 26, 2020
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2020
    Do you know Feyenoord, Sparta Rotterdam and Ajax turned a request of the Argentinian FA down if they were interested in a little 14 year old boy called Maradona?
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    Het verhaal lijkt te bizar om waar te zijn, maar zowel Feyenoord als Sparta kregen Maradona aangeboden als voetballer, maar bedankten ervoor. Goed, de kleine Diego was op dat moment pas 14 en niemand had nog van hem gehoord, maar je zou kunnen zeggen dat Diego Maradona de beste voetballer is die de Nederlandse competitie nooit heeft gehad.

    Het verhaal komt van sporthistoricus Jurryt van de Vooren, eigenaar van de website sportgeschiedenis.nl. Op Radio Rijnmond vertelt hij wat hij weet over deze misser.

    "In 1974 was het WK voetbal geweest in Duitsland. Daar was Maradona niet bij betrokken, maar als jeugdspeler had hij in Nederland contact gekregen met de Rotterdamse voetballer en atleet Meijer Stad", vertelt Jurryt. "Die had veel contacten in de atletiekwereld, maar ook in de voetbalwereld. Meijer Stad heeft bijvoorbeeld nog met Faas Wilkes gevoetbald in z'n jonge jaren bij Xerxes."

    Geinig spelertje
    Via de Argentijnse voetbalbond kwam Meijer Stad in aanraking met Maradona. "Die vroegen: wij hebben best een geinig spelertje hier, zou jij in Nederland kunnen kijken of die ergens terecht kan?" Nederland had op het WK goed gepresteerd en daar waren ze ook in Argentinië kennelijk van onder de indruk.

    Zo ging Meijer Stad onder andere met het aanbod naar Sparta, toen naar Feyenoord, Ajax en Den Haag. "Allemaal hebben ze dat toen nog onbekende jeugdtalentje Diego Maradona afgewezen om te komen spelen", lacht Jurryt.

    Het verhaal werd in 2000 voor het eerst opgetekend door de Engelse sportjournalist Simon Kuper in Hard Gras. Jurryt zelf is ook bij de in 2005 overleden Meijer Stad in Den Haag geweest. "Hij heeft me de kerstkaart laten zien die Maradona dat jaar naar Meijer Stad stuurde, om hem te bedanken in ieder geval geprobeerd te hebben Maradona onder te brengen bij een Nederlandse voetbalclub."

    Jeugdscouts
    Achteraf gezien is het een wonderlijk verhaal, maar Jurryt benadrukt dat voetbal anders was dan nu in die periode. "Het was nog niet zo vreselijk internationaal georiënteerd. Nederland had wel de voorgaande vijf jaar laten zien goed te kunnen voetballen, maar er waren niet ver ontwikkelde jeugdscouts zoals die er nu zijn. Die op de Noordpool tussen de pinguïns nog op zoek zijn naar jeugdig talent (pinguïns leven op de Zuidpool, red.)."

    Jurryt vergelijkt de anekdote met een platenlabel dat tegen één of ander bandje uit Liverpool zei: laat ons met rust, en dat werden later de Beatles. "Later kun je erom lachen. Diego Maradona is de beste voetballer die de Nederlandse competitie nooit heeft gehad."

    Als historicus wordt Van de Vooren vaker geconfronteerd met zogenaamde what if?-history. "Je weet het nooit. Het kan dat hij binnen drie weken de ster van Nederland was geweest, maar hij had ook een blessure op kunnen lopen. Het enige wat we kunnen zeggen is dat er een poging is gewaagd om hem te stallen in de Nederlandse competitie in de beginjaren van zijn carriere. Dat is niet gelukt, maar heeft niet zoveel uitgemaakt voor de carrière van Maradona."


    The story seems too bizarre to be true, but both Feyenoord and Sparta were offered Maradona as a footballer, but declined. Well, little Diego was only 14 at the time and no one had heard of him yet, but you could say that Diego Maradona is the best footballer the Dutch league has never had. The story comes from sports historian Jurryt van de Vooren, owner of the website sport history.nl. On Radio Rijnmond he tells what he knows about this miss. "In 1974 the World Cup was in Germany. Maradona was not involved in that, but as a youth player he had contacted the Rotterdam soccer player and athlete Meijer Stad in the Netherlands", says Jurryt. "He had many contacts in the athletics world, but also in the football world. Meijer Stad, for example, still played football with Faas Wilkes in his early years at Xerxes." Nice little player Meijer Stad came into contact with Maradona through the Argentine Football Association. "They asked: we have quite a funny little player here, could you see in the Netherlands if he can go somewhere?" The Netherlands had performed well at the World Cup and apparently they were also impressed by that in Argentina. For example, Meijer Stad took the offer to Sparta, then to Feyenoord, Ajax and The Hague. "They all rejected that then unknown youth talent Diego Maradona to come and play", Jurryt laughs. The story was first written in 2000 by the English sports journalist Simon Kuper in Hard Gras. Jurryt himself also visited Meijer Stad in The Hague, who died in 2005. "He showed me the Christmas card that Maradona sent to Meijer City that year, to thank him at least for trying to bring Maradona to a Dutch football club." Youth scouts In retrospect, it is a wonderful story, but Jurryt emphasizes that football was different from now in that period. "It was not yet terribly internationally oriented. The Netherlands had shown that it was able to play football well in the previous five years, but there were not highly developed youth scouts like the ones there are now. Who are still looking for youthful youth at the North Pole among the penguins. talent (penguins live at the South Pole, ed.). " Jurryt compares the anecdote to a record label that said to some Liverpool band: leave us alone, and they later became the Beatles. "Later you can laugh about it. Diego Maradona is the best football player the Dutch league has never had." As a historian, Van de Vooren is more often confronted with so-called what if? History. "You never know. It could be that he would have been the star of the Netherlands within three weeks, but he could also have sustained an injury. All we can say is that an attempt was made to park him in the Dutch. competition in the early years of his career. That didn't work out, but it didn't make much difference to Maradona's career. "


    Diego Maradona is the best football player the Dutch league has never had:ROFLMAO:





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  12. Feyenoord - FC Utrecht (zondag 14.30 uur)
    • Feyenoord en FC Utrecht speelden in de eredivisie honderd keer tegen elkaar. Feyenoord won 55 keer, FC Utrecht 16 keer en 29 keer werd het gelijk. Utrecht won slechts twee van zijn laatste 27 competitieduels met Feyenoord (W2-G9-V16). De laatste van die twee overwinningen behaalde de club op 31 maart 2019 in het eigen Stadion Galgenwaard (3-2).
    • Voor de 73-jarige Advocaat is deze reeks van 23 eredivisieduels zonder nederlaag de langste in zijn carrière. Hij overtrof vorige speelronde zijn ongeslagen reeks van 22 competitieduels met het Schotse Rangers uit 1999/2000. De laatste nederlaag van Feyenoord in de eredivisie dateert van ruim een jaar geleden. Op 27 oktober 2019 werd het 4-0 op bezoek bij Ajax. Het was het laatste duel van de Rotterdammers onder trainer Jaap Stam.
    • FC Utrecht won dit kalenderjaar nog geen enkel uitduel (W0-G6-V2). De laatste uitzege was een 3-1 overwinning op bezoek bij Heracles op 15 december 2019.


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    Vermoedelijke opstelling FC Utrecht. © AD Sportwereld.
    Probable line-up FC Utrecht
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    Probable line-up Feyenoord

    Feyenoord - FC Utrecht (Sunday 2.30 p.m.)
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    • Feyenoord and FC Utrecht played against each other a hundred times in the premier league. Feyenoord won 55 times, FC Utrecht 16 times and was tied 29 times. Utrecht won only two of its last 27 league matches with Feyenoord (W2-G9-V16). The last of those two victories the club achieved on March 31, 2019 in its own Stadium Galgenwaard (3-2).
    • For the 73-year-old Lawyer, this series of 23 premier league matches without a defeat is the longest in his career. He exceeded his unbeaten run of 22 league matches with the Scottish Rangers from 1999/2000 last round. The last defeat of Feyenoord in the premier division dates from more than a year ago. On October 27, 2019 it became 4-0 on a visit to Ajax. It was the last game of the team from Rotterdam under trainer Jaap Stam.
    • FC Utrecht has not yet won a single game this calendar year (W0-G6-V2). The last away was a 3-1 win at Heracles on December 15, 2019.
    Probable line-up FC Utrecht.



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  13. Wow, what a disappointing evening that was against Dynamo Zagreb.
    Two players I rate with a 4 out of 10. Narsingh and Berghuis. They were bloody awfull. The only players who were satisfying were Senesi, Orkun Kökcü, Malacia and Geertruida. Nick Marsman was very good. He seems to be mocked by socalled soccer pundits, but why is betond me considering his preformances the last few matches he replaced Bijlow.
    When Berghuis doesnot perform, Feyenoord is meh.
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  14. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Quite right. Berghuis was really bad. I wonder if he even cared about the game and I didn't like it when he was laughing about the YC he received for a nasty challenge near the end of the match.
     
  15. wilson00

    wilson00 Member

    Oct 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Berghuis is never a big game player and especially in a high tempo game. I just dont know what the selectors have being smoking. I m just tied of seeing the bullshit selection they always have in store.

    He is regular penalty kicker for feyenoord and thats where he gets a respectable tally for his goals.
     
  16. Sorry chap, but you're just a hater who refuses to see the good things, as if he only scores penalties. Many of his goals have been class goals with a high rate of difficulty to score. It's just sad to see how someone distorts the truth to fit his narrative. I'm a fan of Steven, but when he's shit I tell so. You're incapable of doing such thing in relation to him. You only pop up when there's a reason to trash him.
     
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  17. Feyenoord - Heracles facts.
    Use google translate if interested.

    Feyenoord - Heracles Almelo (zondag 12.15 uur)

    • Feyenoord was in de eredivisie in negentien van zijn twintig thuisduels met Heracles trefzeker. Alleen tijdens een 0-0 gelijkspel op 27 augustus 2006 scoorden de Rotterdammers niet. In totaal maakte Feyenoord in die twintig duels 66 goals, een gemiddelde van 3,3 doelpunt per wedstrijd.

    • Feyenoord kwam dit seizoen in zeven van zijn tien wedstrijden op achterstand. De Rotterdammers wonnen vier keer na een achterstand en pakten drie keer alsnog een punt. Van de elf tegentreffers van Feyenoord dit seizoen vielen er vijf in het eerste kwartier, waarvan drie in de eerste vijf minuten.

    • Heracles heeft zijn laatste vijftien uitduels niet gewonnen (W0-G5-V10), sinds een 2-3 overwinning op bezoek bij FC Twente op 20 september 2019. De huidige reeks van vijftien opeenvolgende uitduels zonder zege is de langste van de club sinds een reeks van zeventien tussen maart 2010 en februari 2011.

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  18. What a fecking exhibition of incompetence the Wolfsberger match was. It was so unbearable I quit watching the match in the 60iest minute.
    This match has to be the worst I've witnessed in ten years, after the 24th of Octobre 2010.
    It's a bloody shame we can't even manage to create chances against a 3d rate Austrian team, because that's what Wolfsberger was.
    Anyway, in this set up we have no business to be in the ko rounds.
    So the focus now has to be on building a team that is competent and that means a critical assesment of the players we signed this season.
    I can't remember one match in which Brian Linsen has contributed anything. The whole season I was wondering why the hell he's on the pitch. If we sign such players, my preference is to just put in a youngster from the U21 team.
    The Spejic guy is also in the category of that other dumbo we had on the pitch a season ago, Martina.





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  19. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Linsen is really bad.
     
  20. Teak

    Teak Member+

    Feyenoord, VfB Stuttgart, Valencia
    Nov 22, 2008
    Grain Belt
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    The link up between the midfield and "attack" has been awful of late. The pass completion rate is very low with passes made directly to the defenders, or simply into no man's land to be collected by the goalkeeper. Jorgensen and Linssen are both under performing, and Berghuis is too predictable with him always cutting back to the left, to the middle, into a pile of defenders.

    Sinisterra came on late against Wolfsberger and got one of the only shots on goal. Hopefully he gets into form quickly or this could be a long second half of the season. Some fans think that the players have no motivation now that Advocaat has stated this is his final season. Still, Arne Slot has been targetted as Dick's replacement and that is good news. (And AZ cancelled his contract ASAP!)
     
  21. With Sinisterra returning from injury and the winterbreak to get really fit, Linssen will have a huge problem.




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  22. Teak

    Teak Member+

    Feyenoord, VfB Stuttgart, Valencia
    Nov 22, 2008
    Grain Belt
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Feyenoord finally scored some goals from open play, beating VVV 3-0 in Venlo. Toornstra with a brace, and Berghuis with his one-trick curling shot after cutting back into the middle (of course). Teixeira with two assists.

    Both Sinisterra and Fer got minutes which gives Advocaat more options for benching the ineffectual Linssen and Jorgensen. I also want Toornstra to move back into the #8 position so that he gets forward more often.

    And being dumped out of Europe means having the entire week to prepare for Eredivisie giants, like Heracles, Sparta, and Emmen.
     
  23. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I watched the game until Berghuis scored to make it 0-2. Feyenoord look so slow and ponderous. I don't rate Toornstra at all even though he got two goals. He's really lost a lot of quickness. Feyenoord have too many players of only average ability. that being said, they will give Ajax a real battle as they always do.
     
  24. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member+

    Jan 26, 2007
    Now that Slot is confirmed as the next head coach.... which AZ players will join him in Feyenoord? :whistling:;)
     
  25. I'm happy with him joining us, but we havenot got the money to pay for one of AZ's talents.
    There are rumours about American investors (again) ready to pump in at least a hundred millions.
    I'm very much against it. These investors are in for profit, not for the good of Feyenoord. So ROI will first go to them, then what's left to Feyenoord.
    I really want an organic growth by finally getting things right in the organisation first. I've been beating the drum of organisational incompetence for 4 decades now at Feyenoord. That incompetence has nullified the advantages Feyenoord has with a loyal huge fan base. Throwing money into a still not up to standard organisation only means increased debts without results.
    AZ went from near bankruptcy to a healthy, professional operating club by taking the measures to come to such a pro environment. And the results show themselves on the pitch without a hundred million injection.
    Money poaring into Feyenoord only means continuation of a flawed pro environment.
    If AZ can go from flat on their backs to a threat to Ajax in 5 years, this must be possible and the guidance for Feyenoord.
    Feck investors. Start building as if starting from scratch.




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