Netherlands vs Australia - 18 June 2014, 18:00 CEST

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by Quackmore, Jun 15, 2014.

  1. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Depends on whether they play a back four or back 3. If the latter, Veltman playes.
     
  2. blueguitar322

    blueguitar322 Member

    Jun 30, 2006
    Charlotte, NC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    #127 blueguitar322, Jun 18, 2014
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2014
    Given the importance of placing first in the group (to avoid Brazil in R16 and the more dangerous side of the bracket), aren't the Oranje rooting for Spain today?

    According to FIFA, group rankings are as follows:
    (1) Total points
    (2) Goal differential
    (3) Goals scored

    Head-to-head doesn't come into play unless other the above don't break the tie.

    If Spain win, then the Netherlands will have a 3-point lead on both Spain and Chile and 6-points on Australia. If the Oranje then lose to Chile next Monday, this will result in either two-way tie for first (Netherlands and Chile) or three-way tie for first (Netherlands, Chile, Spain). The odds that either team overtake the Oranje in goal differential and goals scored seems unlikely.

    If Chile win today, then a loss to Chile forces a match against Brazil. Of course the good news is that regardless of what happens in Spain-Chile today, the Netherlands control their own destiny. Draw and win the group (unless Chile completely destroys Spain by 5 goals).
     
  3. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
  4. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    dutch invaded Porto Alegre for the match... they leaving downtown in direction of the stadium
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  5. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    You're assuming Brazil win their group. Thats not a guarantee
     
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  6. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Because we have had a bad experience with goal differential in the past!:eek:
     
  7. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    old lady in Porto Alegre about the dutch: what a fun and wonderful people! Beautiful! I didn´t know you people were so much fun like that, creature!! Take me there pal, take me there!" lol


    ps: "creature" is just a weird affectionate regional expression from the south of Brazil

    dutch tourists touring the other stadium in Porto Alegre
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    good bye Holland! And good luck!
     
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  8. Mr.S

    Mr.S Member

    Oct 22, 2011
    How good were De Guzman or De Jong's handling speed? Non-existent. Handling speed is a non-issue for the CM position
     
  9. 2nd_striker

    2nd_striker Member

    May 21, 2008
    London
    Mexico croatia will be a tight game, brazil v cameroon will be a massacre

    Today was notma great performance but hey we have made it out of the group. Hope Huntelaar starts next game
     
  10. windycity

    windycity Member

    Oct 19, 2001
    Where do you think
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    So Oranje v Chile for 1st. Chile is a nice team but I could do with a little less play acting.
     
  11. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Not true. The best CMs in the world have good handling speed.
     
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  12. richsavare

    richsavare Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Totally agree they're a joke.
     
  13. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    ^but the match officials noticed and give 6 minutes extra time because of this. What more do you expect? In general it was a well called match by the American official who was in his first big international game!
     
  14. richsavare

    richsavare Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    #139 richsavare, Jun 18, 2014
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2014
    Overall I was not surprised or happy especially in the 1st Half as Oranje looked slow and sloppy. Defenders on the ball were particularly clueless. We played to the Aussies strengths by useless negative backpasses to Cilessen who in turn lumped the ball aimlessly up the field. Robben' s goal came from nowhere and then immediately Cahill scores insane equaliser.
    Thought De Vrij, DeGuzman, and Sneijder were especially poor while Blind and Martins Indi were not much better in the first 45.
    2nd Half the tactical switch helps it appeared as Oranje look sharper on the ball, but then bogus handball by the rather fussy referee and we are down.
    Van Persie quickly strikes back thanks to the slow ballwatching left back and then Depay gets a bit of luck perhaps but he looked lively.
    Overall some shaky moments though with loose passing and sloppy touches (Vlaar) giving Aussies life, but they truly lacked quality when it was needed. Oranje could have added a few more goals, but this performance will not get a win against Chile.
    No Van Persie is a huge blow against Chile. The card he received was down to overreaction by the Aussie who conned the weak referee.
    Defensively team must get better and with possession it must improve a lot. Janmaat looked better in 2nd Half and DeJong was very good today.
    Winjaldum is a better option imo then DeGuzman, but not sure VG will make this change.
    Huntelaar could be striker next match and his size could pose problems for small Chile defenders. Will be a tough game.
     
  15. Antario2

    Antario2 Member

    Jan 29, 2012
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Van Gaal was right to claim that the world cup is all about fitness. A fatigued Spain collapses after two matches, regardless of their enormous amount of quality players.

    The Chile match will be a challenge, they press even more relentlessly than Australia and our midfield will be overrun if nothing changes. I'm in two minds about the options:

    On the one hand the team can try to out-pass the press with defenders and midfielders who are comfortable on the ball like Veltman and Clasie.

    On the other hand if Spain can't outplay the press, can we? Maybe speed and power is an the solution, with Fer and Wijnaldum.
     
  16. 2nd_striker

    2nd_striker Member

    May 21, 2008
    London
    Was spain's problem fitness or just picking the wrong team though? Obviously the fitter you are in the heat the better but in any event its about making the ball do the work for you
     
  17. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Luckily we just need a draw against Chile to top the group
     
  18. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    WRONG team from the beginning. Xabi Alonso was useless in both group games as was Busquets (which is why I was confident of our chances prior to the WC; you can look up the post where I said I was more worried about Chile than Spain). Silva never got untracked. 2nd half against Chile today was better from them but they really didn't create much danger at all. Iniesta worked hard all match long but it wasn't enough.

    Chile defense rely on quickness and they are not all that good in the air. It's going to be an interesting match to watch and I'm interested in seeing van Gaal's lineup. Nigelgino is carrying a Yellow and I can easily see him getting a second against Chile. Is Clasie up to the task against such a quick midfield? Don't know.
     
  19. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member+

    Jan 26, 2007
    Chile is a very dynamic team, and they play "at home." I think we will see a 5-3-2 again. Let Chile chase the game and hit them with a counter-attack with Depay and Robben upfront. I'd like to see Wijnaldum from the start, he brings energy and quickness. De Jong has to be smart enough to avoid another yellow. Sneijder has got to step up.
     
  20. Mr.S

    Mr.S Member

    Oct 22, 2011
    Schweni had poor handling speed. Kroos has very average handling speed. Xabi Alonso has very low handling speed. Carrick for United had very VERY low handling speed. There are a 100 examples.
     
  21. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
  22. DRB300

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    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
  23. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    It did at first.

    But Huntelaar's knockout in England friendly looked even worse, and he was up and running the next day
     
  24. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Took him 1 or 2 weeks though. If that is BMI, then the tourney might be over for him.
     
  25. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    well, the thread is still open... some photos of the dutch parade at Porto Alegre


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    full photo thread here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1733731

    anyway, cool photos of the "Goal Way", the path from Porto Alegre's point of encounter of fans in the Glenio Peres Square in Old Downtown, up to Beira Rio stadium (Gremio Arena is better :D, but it´s not in the World Cup).

    at Glenio Peres Square, public markert on the left, thousands of dutch fans (and aussies too)
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    going up Borges de Medeiros Avenue
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    some World Cup street decoration
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    local Porto Alegre commerce made quite a good amount of money. Aussies and dutch arrived in Porto Alegre wearing only flip-flops, tshirts and bermuda shorts... temperature during the match, at 1pm was 14ºC... at night it was 8ºC. Even europeans will want a light sweater in those conditions.
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    out of downtown and into Cidade Baixa neighborhood
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