NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread [R]

Discussion in 'Women's College' started by ManiacalClown, Nov 8, 2004.

  1. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like I said, I was guessing on some of those. :p
     
  2. XYZ

    XYZ New Member

    Apr 16, 2000
    Big Cat Country
  3. UWHusky

    UWHusky New Member

    Aug 27, 2001
    Seattle, WA
    Headline says Sunday, article says Saturday the 20th.
     
  4. XYZ

    XYZ New Member

    Apr 16, 2000
    Big Cat Country
    The schedule page also says Saturday.
     
  5. Mike Fekula

    Mike Fekula Member

    Oct 19, 2000
    THIRD ROUND:

    #1 North Carolina v. #16 Santa Clara (Chapel Hill, NC)

    Nebraska v. Illinois (Lincoln, NE)

    #5 Portland v. #12 Texas (Portland, OR)

    #4 Notre Dame v. Connecticut (Notre Dame, IN)

    #14 UCLA v. Duke (Los Angeles, CA)

    #6 Ohio St. v. #11 Tennessee (Columbus, OH)

    #7 Princeton v. Boston College (Princeton, NJ)

    #15 Washington v. Maryland (Seattle, WA)

    My God, there is a lot of West Coast Whining on this thread. Sorry, but after two rounds, the wannabes have been weeded out. Hate to tell you but Penn State was legitimately ranked #5 by the NSCAA and Maryland took them down on their own field. I don't seen any of you mentioning the fact that Penn State beat Portland early in the season 2-1 on a neutral site and pounded Wisconsin on the road 4-0, the same Badgers team that got nipped by Notre Dame in the 2nd round.

    Boston College was tied for #25 with Stanford in the last NSCAA poll, Duke knocked off a legit UVA team 3-0.

    The teams that are in the Sweet 16 are the ones that deserve to be there. If you can't handle that, seek professional help.
     
  6. Squash

    Squash Member

    Mar 8, 2003
    I think the complaints are based on how they choose where to play. Nothing more, nothing less :)
     
  7. Sophister

    Sophister Member

    Apr 14, 2004
    SoCal
    I think that there were also some legitimate complaints about the seeding of Santa Clara at #16 when NSCAA (who ranked Penn St at #5) had them ranked at #4.

    But its funny how things turn out. With the strange seedings the top four west coast teams ended up in different quarters of the draw (which is how it should be). And now Washington is going to get to play Maryland after their regular season game was canceled.

    It should be a most interesting weekend.

    Sophister
     
  8. ussoccr

    ussoccr Member

    Feb 5, 2003
    Let's look at the seeds that were eliminated:

    Virginia: Lost to a very good Duke team. One of the toughest 2nd round matchups. The 3-0 score tells me that UVa didn't bring their "A" game on Sunday.

    Penn State: Lost to a Maryland team which was much better than their record indicates. Strength of schedule got the Terps in, and prepared them for tourney play.

    Kansas: Ousted by Nebraska. Another tough early round intra-conference matchup

    Texas A&M: Maybe the biggest "upset" of the 3rd round. Perhaps the Big 10 has surpassed the Big 12 in conference strength?

    Florida: Biggest upset of 1st round, no question.

    Arizona: Only west coast seed to lose, but also was playing in the cold in Storrs, CT and not at home.

    It is interesting to note that with the exception of Arizona, all of the seeded west coast teams advanced. The argument from the beginning was that that these teams were seeded well below where they belonged (especially Santa Clara) and it set up some very inequitable 3rd round matchups. What is certain is that UNC is clearly the #1 team. They are probably followed by Notre Dame as the true #2 this year. Beyond that in the east, there are 10-12 very good teams who could beat each other on any given date. The difference between Portland and the other west seeds is not 8 spots as the committee suggests. I would take UCLA, Portland, or Santa Clara as being not too far behind UNC and Notre Dame, and certainly near the top of those other 10-12 other very good teams. In fact SCU has legitimate claim to that #5 seed given to Portland for numerous reasons.

    The real shame is that after this weekend either UNC or Santa Clara will be finished, while either Illinois or Nebraska and either Princeton and Boston College will advance. I would take the Tar Heels and the Broncos over any of those other four any day. I believe that the 16 seeded teams were probably correct, just not in the appropriate order. Some of the best games of the tournament will be played this weekend. Potential final four matchups that will come two rounds too early.
     
  9. Mike Fekula

    Mike Fekula Member

    Oct 19, 2000
    OK, you make your points well and in reasoned, measured tones; I especially agree with you on this last point and add my name to the list of those who understand that Santa Clara did get a royal screwing. I just don't buy this idea that the entire west coast got hosed along with them. I would also add this: if we are agreed that we would take UNC and Santa Clara over the four east and midwest teams that you name above, I would also take them over all the west coast teams as well. Washington and Portland haven't proven that they belong in that category either. Nobody has...yet...we'll just have to see how this goes.

    Full disclosure: I am a Maryland fan and have also covered them for a long time as a reporter for a local zine, the Terrapin Times and make no apologies for my allegiances.

    I have watched a Maryland team that twice took North Carolina into 2OT and barely lost, with both games being played in North Carolina. I saw Maryland do that under severe injury adversity. The 11 that started the first game vs. UNC were the 11 that finished it; Shannon Higgins Cirovski had NO, Zero, nada reserves. If anybody including the goalie got injured, they would go one player down....and still they took the 'Heels into 2OT. It has been that way all year. The most subs Maryland has ever had available were three and that was for no more than a couple of games recently. Usually there has been just the one sub and that is a freshman midfielder, Shelley McDuff. They have been starting three freshmen (Kelly Rozumalski, Nataly Arias, and Stevie Dunning) and a sophomore (Lauren Krasko). In the win over Penn State, their only three subs were freshmen, McDuff and Carissa Gilbert and soph Liz Foley. Goalie Nikki Resnick is a junior who transfered in this year from Colorado.

    A team like that can hold their heads high, regardless of how much further they go in the tournament. I don't know how good their chances are against Washington, but the Huskies are going to be in a battle.
     
  10. Squash

    Squash Member

    Mar 8, 2003
    I'll be cheering my Dawgs on against your Terps, and hope in the end you'll have a new respect for Washington soccer when it's all over. I'm guessing we'll have about 2000 or so at the game :)
     
  11. tarheelfan490

    tarheelfan490 New Member

    Nov 12, 2004
    arlington, va
    Maryland is a good team and deserve to be in the tournament. Had they not played in the stacked ACC (eight of ten teams reached the tournament), they probably would have had a much better record. However, it should be noted that in the two games against the Heels they were outshot 61-7. Their goalie is incredible, though.
     
  12. mona

    mona Member

    Oct 21, 2003

    LOL Sorry I couldnt resisit this!! I wouldnt be so proud of that little statistic...it almost appears the heels couldnt hit the broad side of a barn if they tried!!! 61 shots and they finally got one in!!! Anyone but the heels and it will be a good day for womens soccer.
     
  13. tarheelfan490

    tarheelfan490 New Member

    Nov 12, 2004
    arlington, va
    Well, it's not so easy when Maryland throws ten players in the penalty box. It's not like it was our front three vs. their back three/four plus goalie, it was our front three vs. their entire team. Makes it a little tougher
     
  14. Mike Fekula

    Mike Fekula Member

    Oct 19, 2000
    OK, good point, but doesn't UNC face that all the time? I can't believe Maryland is the only team that went into a bunker against the 'Heels. I bet Anson has seen more of that than any coach in the country.

    btw, I am glad that legal matter is working out in Anson's favor. The whole case looked real sketchy to me. Shannon Higgins Cirovski has never had anything but positive to say about him and so has anybody else I know who has dealt with him.

    Squash said:
    "I'll be cheering my Dawgs on against your Terps, and hope in the end you'll have a new respect for Washington soccer when it's all over. I'm guessing we'll have about 2000 or so at the game"

    What makes you think I do not respect your team? The whole point of my first post here was that everybody who is in the Sweet 16 deserves to be there. Washington paid their dues too. Its too bad we couldn't play that game early in the season but that particular Friday was when we got the first of four remnants of the hurricanes that blasted Florida. We rarely get anything with hurricane force winds this far north -- although it has happened historically -- but we usually get a good dose of rain and tropical storm force winds. Kind of makes it tough for the goalies on high crosses.
     
  15. Squash

    Squash Member

    Mar 8, 2003
    I didn't take it as though you didn't respect Washington, maybe my wording was bad. I'm personally hoping both teams show up to play, and it's a great game.
     
  16. XYZ

    XYZ New Member

    Apr 16, 2000
    Big Cat Country
    Jones ratings for teams in the round of 16 are shown below. The higher rated team is listed first. A rating difference including a home field advantage of 60 is calculated.

    (based on the November 16 Albyn Jones ratings)

    At UNC - Saturday, 2pm ET
    __#1 UNC vs. #16 Santa Clara
    rank__team_________W-L-T rating (SE)
    _1 North Carolina 20-0-2 2235 _(102)
    _7 Santa Clara___ 16-4-2 1946 __(70)
    ___difference____________ 289 +hfa= 348

    At Illinois - Saturday, 5pm CT
    __Illinois vs. Nebraska
    rank__team_________W-L-T rating (SE)
    29 Illinois______ 14-6-2 1789 __(70)
    30 Nebraska______ 14-8-0 1781 __(74)
    ___difference______________ 8 +hfa= 68

    At Portland - Friday, 7pm PT
    __#5 Portland vs. #12 Texas
    rank__team_________W-L-T rating (SE)
    _3 Portland______ 19-3-0 2037 __(82)
    17 Texas_________ 15-6-2 1840 __(66)
    ___difference____________ 197 +hfa= 257

    At Notre Dame - Saturday, 7pm ET
    __#4 Notre Dame vs. Connecticut
    rank__team_________W-L-T rating (SE)
    _2 Notre Dame____ 21-1-1 2043 __(85)
    19 Connecticut___ 18-6-1 1830 __(70)
    ___difference____________ 213 +hfa= 273

    At UCLA - Saturday, 4pm PT
    __#14 UCLA vs. Duke
    rank__team_________W-L-T rating (SE)
    _6 UCLA__________ 16-6-0 1987 __(72)
    13 Duke__________ 15-7-0 1877 __(76)
    ___difference____________ 110 +hfa= 170

    At Ohio State, Sunday, 1pm ET
    __#11 Tennessee vs. #6 Ohio St.
    rank__team_________W-L-T rating (SE)
    _9 Tennessee_____ 17-4-2 1915 __(73)
    14 Ohio State____ 18-3-3 1874 __(72)
    ___difference_____________ 41 -hfa= 19

    At Princeton - Saturday, 6pm ET
    __#7 Princeton vs. Boston College
    rank__team_________W-L-T rating (SE)
    10 Princeton_____ 17-2-0 1905 __(85)
    27 Boston College 15-6-1 1800 __(73)
    ___difference____________ 105 +hfa= 165

    At Washington - Saturday, 5pm PT
    __#15 Washington vs. Maryland
    rank__team_________W-L-T rating (SE)
    _8 Washington____ 16-4-1 1938 __(70)
    24 Maryland_______ 9-6-4 1807 __(72)
    ___difference____________ 131 +hfa= 191



    Scoreboards:
    Friday, Nov. 19 (1 game scheduled)
    Saturday, Nov. 20 (6 games scheduled)
    Sunday, Nov. 21 (1 game scheduled)
     
  17. CAFAN

    CAFAN Member

    May 30, 2003
    Portland 2 Texas 0

    Portland
    Shots 20
    Saves 3
    Corners 11

    Texas
    Shots 6
    Saves 6
    Corners 3

    Goals Scorers:
    MOORE, Kristen (P)
    MICHAELSON, Emily (P)
     
  18. cornbread1

    cornbread1 New Member

    Jan 15, 2004
    Portland had an easy road to elite 8...NCAA must like them alot.. Non football schools are second class and should be made to play on Tuesdays.
     
  19. WCC Fan

    WCC Fan New Member

    Nov 11, 2003
    Santa Clara upset UNC in overtime, 1-0. Megan Kakadelas scored the winning goal.

    Congratulations to the Broncos!
     
  20. Sophister

    Sophister Member

    Apr 14, 2004
    SoCal
    This should not have happened in a third round game. The NCAA does not know how to seed and to bracket women's soccer. Even UNC's team web page commented on the improbable third round matchup with Santa Clara. Shame on the committee that put together this year's tournament brackets.

    Sophister
     
  21. kejj1212

    kejj1212 New Member

    Jul 5, 2003
    To be the best, you have to beat the best. Who says you have to have an easier road to get there. Parity is catching up with the Carolina dynasty. It was bound to happen. I enjoy Carolina soccer, and can appreciate what it has done for women's sports in general, but overall it will be exciting for women's soccer to have other programs contending for the national championship. Hey NC fans, there's still Duke.
     
  22. GoCourage

    GoCourage Member

    May 27, 2001
    Durham, NC
    Wow, I'm sure there may be some discussion, but in general I agree with the statement that UNC would have had to beat SCU to make the championship anyway. I appreciate the fact that I got a chance to see such a soccer game. Competition is great. It is great when Carolina wins. I wanted to see them advance further, but they got beat. That's how competitive sports work.

    Here are just a couple of pictures from the end of the game...

    Pic 1

    Pic 2

    Pic 3

    Pic 4
     
  23. tarheelfan490

    tarheelfan490 New Member

    Nov 12, 2004
    arlington, va
    parity my ass. which team was the only one to finish the regular season undefeated? which team has gone 47-1-2 in its last 50 games? a winning percentage of over .95 does not equal parity, no matter what round we go out in
     
  24. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Bitter much?

    Carolina through the ACC and NCAA tourneys showed a distressing lack of midfield creativity. Coupled with a seeming inability to finish the scoring chances they got, this was a game waiting to happen. Santa Clara must've seen the tape from the Virginia game. I'm sure Carolina will be back next year. The Broncos earned this victory. I wasn't in a position to tell if all the offside calls against Santa Clara were valid or not, but there was a feeling that at some point Kakadelas was going to get through without the flag going up.
     
  25. kejj1212

    kejj1212 New Member

    Jul 5, 2003
    490 must represent the degree(temperature) of your disappointment. There were the days when NC slam dunked over everyone on the pitch like in the finals last year. Sure, they went undefeated this year, but were not as dominant as in times past. They had a significant injury, but what team hasn't? I wasn't being literal in my parity statement, but with the development of players nationally, and the infusion of Canadian and international talent being dispersed to other programs, the days of the UCLA, Boston Celtic like dynasties are coming to and end. It was a great run, but it's come to an end and by your response, all too soon. It's the beginning of the end for the TOTAL dominance of the NC soccer program. Notice I said the beginning, not that it is HERE. I'll be the first to apologize, eat crow, or say I'm sorry if the future proves me wrong.
     

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