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Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by toronto_soccer, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. totti fan

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    Jun 24, 2010
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    23yo Sensi on debut plays at least as well as Verratti. How embarrassing.
     
  2. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Italy
    Is Sensi related to Rosella.
     
  3. totti fan

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    Jun 24, 2010
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    too good looking
     
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  4. gumbacicc

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    I have never seen so many eager to comment on a team that they admit not watching. PSG's issues in Champions League have nothing to do with Verratti. He is a key player for them. The major issue for that team is that they do not have a proper holding midfielder/ball winning player. Ironically, they sold the guy that was the answer to that problem to Juve (in Matuidi).
     
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  5. falvo

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    #280 falvo, Nov 22, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2018
    Since this advent of players playing abroad, things have changed. For whatever, its worth though, it is of my opinion that top Italian national team players should be playing in Italy as they always have. I can't think of a great number of Italian players who shined for gli azzurri while playing abroad. The only ones that come to mind during Italy's last successful runs were Thiago Motta and Mario Balotelli in 2012 and Graziano Pellè in 2016. I can't think of any others.
     
  6. Calcio Pauly

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    #281 Calcio Pauly, Nov 22, 2018
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    Cmon, it's clear neither of them watch Serie A or CL much. I mean, one of them took Pavoletti's Serie B stats a few seasons ago and compared him to Higuain, believing him to be the next Vieri.

    That's because until recent years not a lot of Italians left. Most of the better ones still stay.

    You getting your turkey ready today Falvone?

    Happy Thanksgiving! I truly mean it. I give thanks for all the banter you provide, and the others. Time to feast soon now. :thumbsup:
     
  7. falvo

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    Mar 27, 2005
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    #282 falvo, Nov 22, 2018
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    As I posted on the all purpose thread.....

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

    Tanti auguri a tutti!

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  8. Mean Machine

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    May 23, 2018
    Yes because PSG rely too much on him. Just like Argentina without Messi is better because with Messi, they rely on him too much.
     
  9. Calcio Pauly

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    Yet another

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    Ghey comment from our resident communist.

    - Sal
     
  10. totti fan

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    Jun 24, 2010
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    I love you too Sal
     
  11. totti fan

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    Jun 24, 2010
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    AMAZING!!
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  12. Gilbertsson

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    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
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    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Gianluca Vialli, Gianfranco Zola made great things in England.
    Alessio Tacchinardi participated in Champions League semi-finals with Villarreal.
    Fabrizio Ravanelli was great in Marseille.
    Diego Contento had interesting season in Bayern Munchen. Napolitano born in Germany.
    Alessandro Pistone is remembered in Everton, Newcastle for sure.
    Alberto Aquilani was not lucky in this abroad campaign.
    Marco Simone in Monaco was great.
    Amedeo Carboni was excellent in Valencia, LB position.
    They can play abroad. I made several nice examples from my childhood memories.
    Maybe not so important, but Scottish league had several important Italian players Gattuso, Paolo Vanoli, Lorenzo Amoruso was Rangers captain.
     
  13. falvo

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    #288 falvo, Nov 22, 2018
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    I agree that they were all great players in Italy and abroad. Sadly , none were featured for Italy when they moved away. Zola was cut as from the national team by Cesare Maldini as soon as he scored against England while playing for Chelsea. He preferred Baggio. Vialli was cut , four years before by Sacchi. Ravanelli didn’t play after 97 I don’t believe. Pistone and Tacchinardi also were done with the azzurri when they played outside of Italy. Carboni was great in Spain but never really remembered in Italy until making a return playing against Roma his old club while he received a standing ovation. Gattuso was not picked until he went back to Perugia and then Milan. Simone never featured while at Monaco. Alberto Aquilani was ok coming up but always seemed injured. Poor guy as he could have been a great player for Italy. I want to say Christian Vieri while at Atletico and Roberto DiMatteo while at Chelsea were both picked in 98. Don’t recall many others.
     
  14. calabrese8

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    you guys are all forgetting the best one.

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  15. falvo

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    #290 falvo, Nov 22, 2018
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    Yes thanks for reminding me. Luca Toni from 2003-2007, had scored 97 goals for Palermo and Fiorentina. He had already gone through the qualifiers while in Italy and the year of the Euro in 08 was when he went to Bayern and scored 24 goals. They had to pick him as he was a great goalscorer. Inzaghi was too old and Totti had already quit.
     
  16. Gilbertsson

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    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Di Matteo had different family road. He was born in Switzerland. Swiss league wasn't strong back than like today, so any foreign league was the main goal. He went in England. Really strange fact, he never trained any Italian club after he retired. Italy took him, because he played in Lazio, but he wasn't at World Cup 1994. That's why he is not so remembered.

    Vieri was much more remembered in Inter and maybe in Juventus. Only one season in Atletico, but he was a top scorer in Spanish league.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997–98_La_Liga

    This saved him so that he can return back. His family lived in Australia also, so he could adapt well in foreign league.

    Luca Toni was the player who replaced Vieri in a better way.

    The problem is that some players didn't gave their best, what was expected: Antonio Cassano - conflict with Capello in Real Madrid costed him a lot, before that he carried him around as his trustworthy person, just like Emerson and Panucci.

    Several players of Roma didn't fulfil much: Leandro Rosi, Alberto Aquilani, they talked that Leandro Cufre could play for Italy, maybe Lucas Martin Castroman.

    The problems with Italy started in that match against Slovakia at World Cup 2010. The saddest thing is that Italy could score a goal in every minute maybe, because Slovakia was down, Quagliarella. At EURO's it was good/solid. And the match against Sweden arrived recently. The question is, is that match against Sweden the last spot or will it continue. Victory over Slovakia would bring Italy in the knock out stage, against Netherlands. Who knows what could happen there, Dutch team wasn't convincing against Slovakia. The negative period at World Cups lasts 8 years so far.
     
  17. falvo

    falvo Member+

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    The cycle of the last three World Cups were a negative to the national team program but at least Italy made the finals in 2010 and 2014. Not qualifying last year was a shame. I still can't believe that Italy didn't make it. Qualifying was the key because no one really cares or remember cares too much how they get there as long as they make the tournament. The personalities and players then grow from there.

    Right now, Italy has no character, stars or goal scorers and it comes back to the amount of players playing. Whether its a broken record or not, you won't form much of a national team when you are picking youth players or plyers who hail from lower or midtable clubs. Managers and presidents have to take more risks and start playing more Italians. Mancini , although he was guilty of it also at Inter, said the same thing.

    The way I see it, there are three choices. Its either ban , put a limit on the number of foreigners playing in the Serie A or sign more foreign players as Italians and start them for a the national team.

    Those are the only there choices that I can see to improve matters. Until these things happen , I really don't see things improving all that much on the national team front.
     
  18. Gilbertsson

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    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
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    Japan
    Many European teams don't have a strong character. It's mostly like this, 5-6 great NT players, average coaches, who didn't evolve too much. A lot of players who seek fast and large amount of money on Asian market.

    I am watching top goalscorers in Serie A:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/italian-serie-a/top-scorers

    Top scorer: K. Piatek and I never knew how he looks.:D
    Suso has 8 assists. People thought before 15-20 years that Spaniards can't play abroad.

    Quagliarella has 5 assists in weaker club. I don't know who Defrel is. Francesco Caputo, almost nothing about him. I know these ones from bigger clubs. Before Italy had interesting players in smaller clubs: Chevanton, Ze Maria (Perugia), Aimo Diana, Domenico Morfeo, Recoba started in Venezia, he scored together with Fabio Bilica. Kenneth Andersson from Bologna. Brescia had Dario Hubner who would score often, Roberto Baggio finalized his career there. Marco Ferrante from Torino who celebrated his goals with The Running Bull gesture, with fingers on his head. He was not even considered for wider list in NT. Sculli from Modena, who scored against Roma in one match at Olimpico I think. Neqrouz from Bari. who played with Cassano.

    Remembered now Ciro Ferrara, he was not also often in NT. Wrong decade I guess.:D Today, Davide Baiocco from Juventus would be a first choice.:cool: He still plays ! 43 years.:sleep:

    It's not possible to ban majority of players. Whoever comes from South America, he can have one or few Italians in his family tree, according to ius sanguinis, he can get Italian citizenship and become an EU player. Same is in Spain, Portugal for Brazilians and other South Americans.

    If someone starts to ban foreigners, society would say about far right ideas, non-democratic values. Media forces are the best judges, they accuse early and create the verdict very fast. In one European country, nobody says the state ethnicity, they rather say: Citizens of (State Name), or (State Name) People. Because of the past.

    If they get Italian citizenship, there is no guarantee that he will play for Italy. I don't think that it's nice idea to invite someone, just because Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil don't want him and suddenly he feels strongly attached with Italy or some other European country. It's better to get a player where two or three countries fight for that player.

    Some players, who were really good, passed under radar in Argentina and in Italy. One of them is Santiago Solari Poggio. Both surnames are Italian. When you compare him with Eder, Schelotto, there is an difference.

    FIGC just catches some player with Italian heritage and starts to promote his greatness, even though he is not so great. But even weaker Argentine is better than someone who doesn't have any connections with Appennini.

    Once great and talented countries, they now play on result. It's working well for Portugal, they don't play attractive like with Figo, Rui Costa, Pauleta, Conceicao, Couto, Baia...interesting, majority of these ones played in Serie A. Even Vidigal was a star of Udinese mostly, without major influence in Portuguese team.

    While clubs had Italian owners, it was great for Italian NT, today foreign lords want the show, scpectacular moments, so they collect stars from abroad: Inter, Roma, Juventus.

    Milan was not great like before with domesti cowner. Now we have shareholders, societies from Asia, that we don''t even know, business for them.
     
  19. el napulitan

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    Sep 28, 2008
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    just woke up from a 5 year coma, are we still shit or should i go back in my coma for another 5 years?
     
  20. totti fan

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    Jun 24, 2010
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    Verratti won Ballon D'or five years running and Italy is current European champion and World Cup holder.
     
  21. el napulitan

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    Sep 28, 2008
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    I wasnt that comatosed lmao
     
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  22. totti fan

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    Jun 24, 2010
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    welcome back
     

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