Mo,look at Brazilian players

Discussion in 'Toronto FC' started by villmoore, Aug 28, 2007.

  1. villmoore

    villmoore New Member

    Apr 15, 2007
    The left midfield is very weak(Welsh might be ok off the bench but we need a better starter).Mo,there are a lot of talented players in Brazil which would love to play in the MLS and in most cases Toronto would not even have to use there DP slot.Just look at how well they are doing with their respective teams.Also Samuel just doesn't cut it either,Toronto is a better team now then at the beginning of the season and the quality of players that come in should reflect the new team.Let's see what you can do Mo?
     
  2. ArteEtLabore

    ArteEtLabore Member

    Dec 16, 2006
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    What is it with the people on this message board and their obsession with latino men? Every time the team loses, it's 'we need a brazillian/argentinian/portugese / etc'.

    Guess what folks...Toronto FC's problems are not due to a lack of a certain ethnicity. Their problems are due to a lack of depth, which is to be expected with an expansion team. Ethnicity does not make one talented.

    Remember Nagamura? He sucked when he was here.
    Remember Cancela? He can't even break into Colorado's starting line up, and Colorado is only doing marginally better than we are.

    Rant over.
     
  3. AeroNaught

    AeroNaught Member

    Atlanta United
    Feb 14, 2007
    Birmingham, AL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In Cancela's defense, he was a regular starter in New England; Colorado just seems to be stockpiled with midfielders.

    Thiago was just waived by Chicago, maybe you guys can entice him to play for TFC (and he's Brazilian!).
     
  4. TFC07

    TFC07 Member

    May 19, 2007
    Brampton, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Who exactly can Toronto get from Brazil? I personally don’t care what country a soccer player comes from, as long he is good.

    This is going to be an interesting off-season for Toronto FC.
     
  5. TheFalcon

    TheFalcon Member

    Aug 8, 2007
    Mississauga
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Guys, We'd all love to stock our team full of talented players. Unfortunately the roster limits on internationals, we only have one Youth International left (Non-Canadian 24 or under). Plus we don't have any room on our 18 man senior roster. Thus to add a player we'd have to cut someone from the 18 man squad, or somehow convince a player to take a pay cut to like 40k.

    Our roster is pretty much set for the year, now in the offseason, we could see some additions, particularly as we will have two many SI's and will have YI spots available.
     
  6. AlexCap

    AlexCap New Member

    May 22, 2007
    Don't we have some kind of flexibility (Roster Limits, SI/YI & Salary Cap) due to the season ending injuries to O'Brien and Cunningham?
     
  7. .:Rabid

    .:Rabid New Member

    Apr 26, 2007
    No offence but people want Mo to look elsewhere for players because the best he could do from UK was garbage...

    People are tired of the same garbage, passes not connecting, shots going wide, unability to finish.

    They want new players, and the cheapest region would be in south america, and I have to agree, most likely you'll find more talented players there then say...Canada? England?

    I know we're all proud to be canadian and whatnot, but the best of what we could get wouldn't even be starters (sept brennan, kenny) if everyone was healthy, why bother at this point?

    The best thing to do right now is finish the season as the worst team, get that 1st draft pick, look for more canadian youth, hire a DP and some supporting members, weed out the problem players (welsh, samuel) and build from there.

    What we have now IS NOT going to get us into the playoffs, 100% healthy or not.
     
  8. sidis

    sidis Member

    Jun 2, 2006
    Itaguaí-RJ - Brazil
    it will be very difficult bring a brazilian without at least U$ 2 millions.

    maybe lucio flávio from botafogo, a exceptional free kicker (better than beckham IMHO) and a good playmaker, but its slow paced.

    other good left midfielder is thiago neves from fluminense, he is a Paraná player loaned to fluminense, its a great player, but i think he will be very expensive to MLS standard (nothing less than 5 millions).
     
  9. v00d00daddy

    v00d00daddy Member

    May 22, 2007
    Toronto
    I think it's pretty obvious that Mo only knows footballers from one part of the world, the U.K. If this is the best he can do (ie: Welsh, Samuel etc.) than maybe he's not the right guy for the job.

    I agree that I don't care where they come from as long as they can play. Thank God they've gotten rid of Welsh. One problem gone. Releasing Samuel would give them another open spot for an International Senior player so the off season looks promising.

    Now let's see what Mo can do. I personally will be pissed off if he doesn't look outside of the U.K. for a player. (or two)

    I'm tired of seeing 1980's English soccer being played by TFC. Kick and run died 15 years ago. I don't know why TFC is going back to playing that way. I'd rather see them try to play possession soccer. It's not like the results could get any worse than they've been in the last 2 months.
     
  10. v00d00daddy

    v00d00daddy Member

    May 22, 2007
    Toronto
    You're right. It has nothing to do with ethnicity but everything to do with soccer philosophy. I think people want to see some south american style being played, whether it be from south american players or not.

    And for the record, I've wanted to see a different style from day one. Even when TFC had some success it was from a very simple style of play. In the Dallas game they scored most of their goals from crosses. That's way too easy to neutralize and that's what teams have done. They have to show a different style of play and swicth things up every once in a while.

    Sure they don't have the super talented guys to string 25 passes together but a little creativity wouldn't hurt and the guys they have right now don't have it.
     
  11. .:Rabid

    .:Rabid New Member

    Apr 26, 2007
    I love you.
     
  12. redfromcanada

    redfromcanada New Member

    May 10, 2007
    I think with the salary cap restrictions, Mo was up against it when trying to get players with skill and ability. He had to settle for players who were fringe English Championship division players and watching that level of football, no, that is nothing I want to see at TFC. Unfortunately, the lower leagues in Europe pay better than MLS at this juncture, thus making it hard to get even the Canadian players home. Getting players out of South America is more costly and difficult than one might think. There are many players who have third party ownership clauses which can be very complicated to deal with. Even though players down there are not paid by the clubs from time to time and would like a steady paycheque, this arrangement has caused numerous difficulties for clubs around the world.

    However, in considering this, I'm not sure that Mo would want that style of player anyway. TFC seemed to be set up as a side that plays a high tempo, high energy game, which can cause a few problems for the opposition but also causes injuries to the players. MJ likely thought this was the best way for his team to play this season due to their expansion status.
     
  13. jpg75

    jpg75 Member

    Jun 11, 2005
    Toronto, Canada
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I've liked what i've seen of Thiago, and he's not making a whole lot in $$. Problem is he's an SI now with his '82 birth date.
     
  14. Macksam

    Macksam Member

    Aug 2, 2007
    Brampton, Canada
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    No one on the board has said we need latino men or more of a certain ethnicity. You're misinterpreting the whole thing. The people on this board are saying they want more South American players, as in players who play attractive, South American football. Ethnicity has nothing to do with it.
     
  15. LDG20

    LDG20 Member

    Chelsea
    South Korea
    Jul 2, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    It's a load of crap, just bring in the best player available that can fit in the salary cap.
     
  16. TFCviaUK

    TFCviaUK Member

    Jul 10, 2007
    Will ya stop with the crying out for South American players! Who cares where they're from... as long as they fit in well with the team, and more importantly, improves the team.

    IMO, let the reserve players have more time in the last few games of the season so that the team gets used to playing with guys outside the starting 11 (instead of being forced to play guys who are still injured e.g. Danny D).

    Let them have more time and get more experience so that when they are brought on, the team doesn't look and play like a bunch of playground school kids.

    So far, every time Mo has brought on one of the reserves the team just looks unbalanced, unsure of themselves and each other, and they play as if they've never met each other... there's just no cohesion.

    Forget the brazilians, etc... use the off-season to bring in someone who will fit in well with the team, and not just because he's able to juggle the ball a few times. I'd rather see someone who can put it at the feet of a forward over 40-50 yards, or can thread a through ball past two defenders, than someone who consistently tries to dribble the ball past 2 or 3 players before deciding to give it up.

    Come on, football is most effective when its played simple... come on Mo, you've played in Britain and that's the way the game is played there (think Steve Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Roy Keane, or even your old pals Gord Strachan and Gary McAllister!).

    Come On You Reds!!!
     
  17. .:Rabid

    .:Rabid New Member

    Apr 26, 2007
    You talk about how we shouldn't look at players from certain places because of their stereotypical way of playing, and that we should instead find the best player from anywhere, yet you talk about how you don't wan't a brazilian because he'll always try to dribble past defenders and that you want a player who'll pass to a players foot 40 yrds away... hmmm?

    We've tried the UK route, it's garbage.

    People don't want english longball anymore, heck we didn't want it in the beginning. It's garbage and doesn't work.

    They want creative play such as shortpassing and more direct attack and that's the system south americans and portuguese, italians, are used to playing. TECHNICAL football.

    It's easier to find players who excell at that system then to try and teach longball players that style.

    We have a chance now to find some players in the offseason because Welsh is gone (and others will follow) so lets start looking other places for different style players.
     
  18. v00d00daddy

    v00d00daddy Member

    May 22, 2007
    Toronto
    contradict yourself much? how can you say who cares where they're from and then in the next breathe say that you want a simple game like they play in britain and name a bunch of english players?

    it's obvious that you want to continue on with something that doesn't work. this philosophy has killed the Canadian Soccer Association for years. Lynford said it today after he resigned from the CSA and I don't wanna see that happen with TFC. It's time for a new approach.

    God help us if we keep playing kick and run. TFC will NEVER get results that way. It might be good for 15 year olds but pros should know how to play a skilled game.

    And in case you haven't noticed....the top flight premiership teams in the world (ie: man u, chelsea, liverpool) play a different brand of football than they did years ago. they wouldn't have been able to keep up if they hadn't changed. The soccer times, they are a changin'. TFC has to keep up.
     
  19. .:Rabid

    .:Rabid New Member

    Apr 26, 2007
    I like your mindset, you seem to be thinking broadly and I agree with everything you've said so far.

    That's what I found funny, him complaining and then shoving recycled longball garbage down our necks and mentioning a crop of english players.

    This is exactly what goes on around these forums.

    Somepeople see that we need a change, while others (who obviously have something against anyone other then canadians and british players) whine and complain about how we need to stay away from the divers or the flashy showboaters that south americans supposidly are.

    I'm sure they were all angry @ Chelsea when they went out and got mourinho, but are they now? The guy has made them a team to not to be reckoned with, i'm sure at first they were all against anything foriegn?

    Lets try being creative for a change, bring in the technical players, it works for DC.
     
  20. TFCviaUK

    TFCviaUK Member

    Jul 10, 2007
    Don't get me wrong... I agree with all the suggestions and comments mentioned so far...

    My main point was that we need a player who can fit in the core of the team that we have already (Ronnie, Danny, Marvell, Carl, Maurice, etc)... None of them are the quick one-touch passing type of player. Look at Danny our top scorer, he's the type of striker who thrives on a decent cross, or a great long ball. He does so well flicking on for Jeff Cunningham and co.

    Now talking about Jeff, he can play off Danny, or run onto the threaded passes.

    I don't want to see "route-one" football all the time either, but being able to deliver that 40 yard pass to a striker's feet can be effective at times.

    Look at Beckham - I can't stand the guy, but like it or not, in his prime, he was able to deliver 40 yard pass or deliver fantastic cross to create a goal. To some extent he's still able to do that.

    All I'm saying is that we need a couple of players capable of delivering that fantastic long ball and the defence-splitting through pass. I think Ronnie is capable of doing both, but he's just one man, so we need another at least.

    I mention British names because those are the players that Mo would've been shoulder to shoulder with the most during his playing days, and therefore know the best in terms of character and abilities.

    Let me say again, I don't care who or where they hail from, as long as the players brought in fit in well, and improves the team - South American or not.

    Come On You Reds!!!
     
  21. Macksam

    Macksam Member

    Aug 2, 2007
    Brampton, Canada
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I could care less if they dive. If they play well, than by all means bring them over.

    Mourinho is god.
     
  22. Macksam

    Macksam Member

    Aug 2, 2007
    Brampton, Canada
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Instead of getting Brazilians who are already in clubs, they could just scout younger kids who have yet to find a club as a permenant home and bring them over here to join the youth academy. If they get good enough, grant them Canadian citizenship.
     

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