MLS's 2004 11-Team Schedule

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by TWR, Sep 20, 2003.

  1. TWR

    TWR New Member

    Jan 18, 2000
    New York
    How are the MLS schedule makers going to handle this uneven number of teams next season? More mid-week games? Longer season?
    And how about unbalanced schedules? Might I suggest a single table, where you play every other team three times for a 30 game season.
     
  2. Deuteriumoxide

    May 27, 2003
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    werent they going to add another team?
     
  3. bright

    bright Member

    Dec 28, 2000
    Central District
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Keep the 2 conferences.

    4 games versus teams in your conference equals 16 games.

    2 games versus teams in the other conference equals 10 games.

    Then play 4 home games against the travelling Chivas circus. :) You know, to get all the Mexicans to come out! Yeah!

    16 + 10 + 4 = 30.

    Unfortunately, Chivas will have to play 40 away games. Just play them all on Wednesday, the Mexicans will come out anyways!

    How's that for an unbalanced schedule? ;)

    - Paul
     
  4. Roehl Sybing

    Roehl Sybing Guest

    There will never be a single table for MLS as long as I have anything to say about it.
     
  5. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    the league would be soooooooo much better to follow if it went to a single table with 11 teams. otherwise, it'll be totally unfair to the conference playing with 6 teams.
     
  6. Roehl Sybing

    Roehl Sybing Guest

    Life isn't fair. There will never be a single table for MLS as long as I have anything to say about it.
     
  7. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why is single table bad? Assuming that for 2004, you still have over half the league making the playoffs regardless of the number of divisions.
     
  8. Roehl Sybing

    Roehl Sybing Guest

    It does not please me.
     
  9. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh yeah ...... what a GREAT reason for no single table! SINGLE TABLE IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
     
  10. Roehl Sybing

    Roehl Sybing Guest

    The question is why is single table so great? What makes conferences so bad that they have to be done away with?
     
  11. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    SIngle teams seem to make sense to me. The question is, why divide up into conferences?

    Single table is so much simpler. Plus, why should Dallas get to say "we finished 5th this year." No, you suck, you deserve to be as low as possible, i.e. 10th.
     
  12. Roehl Sybing

    Roehl Sybing Guest

    So simple that it doesn't highlight regional rivalries.
     
  13. bright

    bright Member

    Dec 28, 2000
    Central District
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A single-table goes hand-in-hand with a balanced schedule. We can't do that right now. Your idea of playing each team 3 times is still unbalanced, even if they did it in the SPL.

    However, I like single-tables, too. I hope we have it like that one day.

    - Paul
     
  14. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With 11 teams, you play everyone 3 times, and that doesn't count the Open Cup or playoffs. How many matches against each team do we need? 3 each is plenty. And yes, I realize that with 10 teams and a 30 game schedule that wasn't possible this year, but it will be next year so there you go.

    We can play a balanced schedule in the sense that you play each team 3 times (10 opponents * 3 games = 30 games total, same as this year). Not totally balanced because you place twice at one place and only one at the other, but with 8 (I'd much rather prefer 6 going on 1, but so be it) teams in the playoffs, I don't think that's a big deal.
     
  15. Jacen McCullough

    Nov 23, 1998
    Maryland
    Single table would be nice, but it would also cost a heckuva lot of $$. The reason almost EVERY sport in the US is split into conferences is to cut back on travel costs. England, Spain, Germany, even the teams farthest apart geographically have less travel costs than Metros going to DC. Conferences are much more financially viable, and that's why they should stay as is.
     
  16. Mstars96

    Mstars96 Member

    Jul 13, 2003
    NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Single table is the way to go but i doubt it will ever see it.
    This format of 2 div. of 5 and he best 4 of each division making it sucks.
     
  17. NateP

    NateP Member

    Mar 28, 2001
    Plainfield, NH, USA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Will it really be that much more expensive? I posted this two weeks ago in the last "Single Table" thread:

    Adding Chivas makes for a net change of zero games and if scheduled right you will replace the 4 in conference games from above (2H, 2A) with either: 2H v Chivas, 1A v Chivas & 1A v Current missing out of Conference or 2A v Chivas, 1H v Chivas & 1H v missing OC). As a hypothetical, if the Metros replace home games against NE & DC and road trips to Chi & Clb with 2 home games against Chivas and road trips to San Jose and either Houston or SD (depending where Chivas ends up) or replace them with home games against Chivas and the Quakes and make two trips to SD/Houston would it really be that much more expensive? Sure it would be somewhat more expensive, and it's not my money, but I'm just not convinced that it would be a heckuva lot of $$.

    Plus this was we'll be able to go back to top 8 out of 11 for the playoffs instead of top 4 of 5 from the East and top 4 of 6 from the West.
     
  18. KCWiz

    KCWiz New Member

    May 8, 2003
    Manhattan, Kansas
    single tables suck. this is america. screw single tables. 2 conferences kick ass.
     
  19. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I imagine that they'll put the San Diego Goats in the Western Conference, and do the schedule something like this:

    For Western Conference teams: 4 games apiece vs. Western Conference teams (20) + 2 games apiece vs. Eastern Conference teams (10) = 30 games

    Eastern Conference teams: 5 games apiece vs. two Eastern Conference teams (10) + 4 games apiece vs. other two Eastern Conference teams (8) + 2 games apiece vs. Western Conference teams (12) = 30 games
     
  20. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok I'm persuaded. Forget everything I said before.

    Care to expand on this? Maybe a reason why they suck?
     
  21. KCWiz

    KCWiz New Member

    May 8, 2003
    Manhattan, Kansas
    sry, i overreacted. anyway...

    just as a personal preference, i think a conference or table is too big once it gets to 8 teams. For example, in the mlb, they used to have one table for each conference, no divisions. but once they expanded some more, they split into divisions. you just cant have more than 8 per division or conference. i dont know why, i just dont like it like that. now if the mls had only 8 teams, im all for a single table, but right now, theres too many teams for only one.
     
  22. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    5 games vs one team? That's way too many. With an Open Cup game and a 2 leg playoff, that's a possible 8 games against the same team! I think 3 is plenty.

    As to 11 teams being too many, I can't buy that. The simpler something is, the better. MLS has no reason to split into conferences, so it shouldn't, regardless of the number of teams (which will max out at 16-18 anyway).

    MLB split into divisions as an excuse to add a playoff round, not because it's too complicated. MLS won't be adding a playoff round anytime soon if ever, so that's not the issue. Simple is good, and a single table is nothing if not simple.
     
  23. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    San DieGoats.
     
  24. Frieslander

    Frieslander Member
    Staff Member

    Feb 14, 2000
    North Jersey
    MLB and the NFL have a lot of divisions so that they can have a lot of 1st place teams. Is so the masses can say, "gee wiz, my home team is in first!" even when their team is mediocre. The worst thing about multiple divisions is that the league is bound to have a weak division giving an unfair advantage to whichever decent team is in it. Single table, balanced schedule is the fairest way to go.
     
  25. soccerfan

    soccerfan BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 13, 1999
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The way to go here is 5 divisions of 2 teams , and ONLY the top two teams from each div.to make the playoffs , eventulay we should have 10 divisions
     

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