MLS to expand to 30 teams. $200 Million expansion fee.

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by CMeszt, Apr 18, 2019.

  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That’s stupid.
     
  2. Centennial

    Centennial Member+

    Apr 4, 2003
    Centennial
    European leagues will get rid of pro/rel before MLS will ever introduce it
     
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  3. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    I wonder how much longer Liga MX keeps pro/rel.
     
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  4. nick p

    nick p Member+

    Jul 11, 2009
    Baltimore Maryland
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    HUGE WIN FOR SAINT LOUIS Soccer FANS
     
  5. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wait, MLS is not stopping at 28?

    Shocking. Just shocking.

    AND they are raising the price.

    They are not stopping at 30 either. 32 by 2026. Likely more after the WC.
     
  6. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, good news for Sacramento & St. Louis. Bully for them.

    St. Louis has been a college soccer hotbed for decades and now that they have legit owners + a stadium plan, they deserve to be in.

    Ditto for Sac. Deep pockets was the missing piece. Great support for Republic FC. Deservedly in.
     
  7. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe, Brother, I believe.
     
  8. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #33 xbhaskarx, Apr 19, 2019
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2019
    Remember when people here were convinced expansion would stop at 18 (a balanced schedule!), and 20 (like the rest of the world!), and 24, and then 28?

    Does expansion stop before 40? I could see MLS East with 20 and MLS West with 20, eventually, almost like the old MLB where the two only play each other until the postseason... The most likely number is 36 (17 teams per conference playing each other twice = 34 games), or 40, or 32, imo.

    40 puts MLS in pretty much all of the top 36 metropolitan areas, everything with a population over 2 million (LA and NY doubled up, plus 3 in Canada, and SLC below the line):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistical_areas

    In any case, there's no way they stop at 30 and ignore serious bids from top 20 markets like Phoenix (11th), Detroit (14th), San Diego (17th), etc.


    For 30 here are my predictions:
    25-27: (Nashville, Miami, Austin)
    28: Sacramento, they're the closest to a stadium, and it will be easier if the next team is in the west
    29: St Louis
    30: Phoenix, largest metropolitan area in the west without a team. Detroit blew it when they pulled a bait and switch and replaced their $1.5 billion stadium complex with a few million to renovate the NFL stadium.


    I have been saying this for a decade, and believe it more strongly now than ever.
    They barely have it now (see Queretaro), getting rid of it altogether would just be a formality... I wonder if that was part of the reason for suggesting a unified league with MLS.
     
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  9. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

    Seattle Sounders
    United States
    Nov 30, 1998
    on the run from the covid
    Club:
    Seattle
    Minneapolis should get a team. They'd be a great rival for SPUFC.
     
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  10. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nail, meet hammer.

    Perfect.
     
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  11. Celtigo

    Celtigo Member

    Jul 10, 2009
    Great Lakes Region (The Other One)
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    North American pro sports leagues do seem to tap out in the low 30s in terms of team numbers, so thats one reason to think 32 might be as far as MLS goes. If you have four divisions where you play everybody in that division twice and then everyone else outside of it once, you get a 38 game schedule, which is (ironically?) identical to the most 4 of the 5 big European leagues.
     
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  12. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    And then you get rid of playoffs?
     
  13. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
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    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid

    Plus play offs? That will put the MLS final back in December.
     
  14. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When was the last year MLS didn't have a 34 game regular season schedule? And how many years has that been the case, in recent memory? I think 34 games is here to stay, whatever the total number of teams.
     
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  15. SilentAssassin

    Apr 16, 2007
    St. Louis
    But if they are in all of the top 36 markets, where will they threaten to move when they want a new stadium? Artificial scarcity of franchises is a key part of their business model, in my opinion.
     
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  16. Celtigo

    Celtigo Member

    Jul 10, 2009
    Great Lakes Region (The Other One)
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #41 Celtigo, Apr 19, 2019
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2019
    Yeah, definitely not a perfect solution, nor am I proposing this as the "solution".

    An alternative would be to opt for a schedule where you play home and away against your division, guaranteed to play all teams one from the the other division in your conference (East/West split I presume) and then play some, but not all teams from the other Conference. This could mean you play all teams in one division in the other conference one year and half of the other division, and then it flips the next year. That means you'd only skip a team in the other conference every third year. That gives you a 34 game schedule and lets the playoff situation continue unchanged or with some more minor tweaks.

    The worst thing about this is that you'd potentially only have a home game against other conference foes once every three years potentially.

    You could definitely limit them to the bare minimum. I'd be fine with 4 division winners in a home and away semi format and a one off or two legged final. I doubt MLS would have much interest in such an abbreviated playoff format though.
     
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  17. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you thinking of some other league, maybe the NFL? How is that a "key part" of their business model when it's happened once (SJ -> Houston) where both ended up with teams and didn't get new stadiums for years, and been threatened once (Columbus -> Austin) where both will have teams and new stadiums. Meanwhile MLS seems hell-bent on eliminating many such threats by rapidly expanding from 10 to 24 to 27 and soon 30. Why are they simply expanding to all those markets instead of threatening to move existing teams there in an effort to build new stadiums in those existing markets?
    And what about the existing teams that don't have soccer stadiums and need them? New England and NYCFC are not threatening to move to other markets at all, what a waste of a blackmail opportunity! What about Vancouver? Wait, what about ANY team? Which ones are threatening to move? Currently zero are.
    But don't let facts get in the way of your lazy ripped off from other sports leagues conspiracy theory...
     
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  18. doolittledog2

    doolittledog2 Member

    Jun 17, 2002
    Iowa
    I think MLS stops at either 30-32. Then they want places like Indy and Louisville and others to build nice USL stadiums so they can use them as pawns for the under performing MLS franchises.
     
  19. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    2010, IIRC.
     
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  20. billf

    billf Member+

    May 22, 2001
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    Philadelphia Union
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    United States
    This is such a lazy post. Which underperforming teams? Honestly. Market size is a big deal. You're not moving a Chicago, Philly, NE, etc to Louisville or Indy. It's just not a trade you make nor is it one you take seriously.
     
  21. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Regular season MLS games:

    2011-2019: 34 games
    2007-2010: 30 games
    2005-2006: 32 games
    2003-2004: 30 games
    2001*-2002: 28 games
    1996-2000: 32 games

    *2001 was shortened after 9/11 but was originally scheduled for 28 games.
     
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  22. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
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    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Provo.
     
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  23. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I'm actually excited to see StL in the league, though mostly because it's the city I now spend more time in than anywhere else than my own thanks to the in-laws. I find it amusing though that their ownership group found the money after getting their ridiculous ballot proposal for a stadium rejected.

    (I'll avoid making a joke about the StL stadium having better transit access to downtown Chicago than Bridgeview).
     
  24. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They've been discussing doing away with Pro/Rel. I believe they've put relegation and promotion on hold for a time, or will be in order to allow the lower division clubs time to build.

    It wouldn't be a surprise if LigaMX just expands to 20 or possibly 22 teams and becomes a closed league within the next 5 years.
     
  25. doolittledog2

    doolittledog2 Member

    Jun 17, 2002
    Iowa
    A couple different ways. MLS or that teams operator going to a city and wanting some financial concessions for updating an existing stadium or building a new stadium. In much the same way MLB used St Pete and the NFL often touted Las Vegas or LA as possible destinations.

    Or going to an owner just treading water, like a Precourt or Saputo type, and saying they want significant investment from that owner or they could go to the bylaws of MLS and talk about kicking them to the curb or forcing them to join another ownership group in another city.

    Like in the other leagues here in the U.S. those would be unlikely to actually happen, but they could threaten those options.
     

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