MLS Playoff Race: 29 August [R]

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by HalaMadrid, Aug 29, 2002.

  1. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    <html><head><title></title></head><body><table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" border="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td valign="Top" colspan="10" bgcolor="#330099"><div align="Center"><font color="#cccccc"><u><big><big><big><b>MLS PLAYOFF RACE</b></big></big></big></u></font><br></div></td></tr><tr><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#ff6600"><div align="Left"><font color="#000000"><big><b>TEAM</b><br></big></font></div></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#ff6600"><div align="Left"><font color="#000000"><big><b>GP</b><br></big></font></div></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#ff6600"><div align="Left"><font color="#000000"><big><b>W</b></big></font></div></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#ff6600"><div align="Left"><font color="#000000"><big><b>T</b></big></font></div></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#ff6600"><div align="Left"><font color="#000000"><big><b>L<br></b></big></font></div></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#ff6600"><div align="Left"><font color="#000000"><big><b>GD</b><br></big></font></div></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#ff6600"><div align="Left"><font color="#000000"><big><b>PTS</b></big></font></div></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#ff6600"><font color="#000000"><big><b>PM#</b></big></font><br></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#ff6600"><font color="#000000"><big><b>SSF</b></big></font></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#ff6600"><font color="#000000"><big><b>GAMES LEFT</b></big></font></td></tr><tr><td valign="Top" colspan="10"><u>SUPPORTERS SHIELD RACE</u><br></td></tr><tr><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#3366ff"><big><b><font color="#ffffff">San Jose</font></b></big>&nbsp;<big><b>(W)</b></big><br></td><td valign="Top">24<br></td><td valign="Top">13<br></td><td valign="Top">3<br></td><td valign="Top">8<br></td><td valign="Top">+13<br></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#009900"><big><b>42</b></big></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#cc66cc"><b>Q</b> [10]<br></td><td valign="Top">33.75<br></td><td valign="Top">@DC, vCLB,<br>@LA, vLA<br></td></tr><tr><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#cc0000"><big><b>Dallas</b></big><br></td><td valign="Top">24<br></td><td valign="Top">11<br></td><td valign="Top">7<br></td><td valign="Top">6<br></td><td valign="Top">+4<big><b><br></b></big></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#009900"><big><b>40</b></big></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#cc66cc"><b>Q</b><br></td><td valign="Top">29<br></td><td valign="Top">@COL, vMET,<br>vNE, @DC<br></td></tr><tr><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#ffcc33"><big><font color="#009900"><b>Los Angeles</b></font></big><br></td><td valign="Top">24<br></td><td valign="Top">12<br></td><td valign="Top">3<br></td><td valign="Top">9<br></td><td valign="Top">+5<br></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#009900"><big><b>39</b></big><br></td><td valign="Top">1<br></td><td valign="Top">37.5<br></td><td valign="Top">vMET, @CHI,<br>vSJ, @SJ<br></td></tr><tr><td valign="Top" colspan="10"><u>PLAYOFF RACE</u><br></td></tr><tr><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#006600"><big><b><font color="#ffffff">Colorado</font></b></big><br></td><td valign="Top">25<br></td><td valign="Top">11<br></td><td valign="Top">3<br></td><td valign="Top">11<br></td><td valign="Top">-7<br></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="yellow"><big><b>36</b></big><br></td><td valign="Top">4<br></td><td valign="Top">33.6<br></td><td valign="Top">vDAL, @KC, vKC<br><br></td></tr><tr><td valign="Top" bgcolor="red"><big><b><font color="#ffffff">Chicago<font color="#000000">(E)</font></font></b></big><br></td><td valign="Top">24<br></td><td valign="Top">10<br></td><td valign="Top">4<br></td><td valign="Top">10<br></td><td valign="Top">+8<br></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="yellow"><big><b>34</b></big><br></td><td valign="Top">6&nbsp;[12]<br></td><td valign="Top">34.75<br></td><td valign="Top">@KC, vLA,<br>vCLB, @CLB<br></td></tr><tr><td valign="Top" bgcolor="yellow"><big><b>Columbus</b></big><br></td><td valign="Top">24<br></td><td valign="Top">10<br></td><td valign="Top">4<br></td><td valign="Top">10<br></td><td valign="Top">+1<br></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="yellow"><big><b>34</b></big><br></td><td valign="Top">6<br></td><td valign="Top">33.75<br></td><td valign="Top">vNE, @SJ, <br>@CHI, vCHI<br></td></tr><tr><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#ff0000"><big><b>Metrostars</b></big><br></td><td valign="Top">23<br></td><td valign="Top">10<br></td><td valign="Top">2<br></td><td valign="Top">11<br></td><td valign="Top">0<br></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#ffff00"><big><b>32</b></big><br></td><td valign="Top">8<br></td><td valign="Top">30<br></td><td valign="Top">@LA, @DAL, vDC, <br>@DC, @NE<br></td></tr><tr><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#3333ff"><big><b><font color="#ffffff">Kansas City</font></b></big><br></td><td valign="Top">25<br></td><td valign="Top">8<br></td><td valign="Top">8<br></td><td valign="Top">9<br></td><td valign="Top">-8<br></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="yellow"><big><b>32</b></big><br></td><td valign="Top">8<br></td><td valign="Top">35.3<br></td><td valign="Top">vCHI, vCOL, @COL<br><br></td></tr><tr><td valign="Top" colspan="10">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br></td></tr><tr><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#000066"><big><b><font color="#ffffff">New England</font></b></big><br></td><td valign="Top">24<br></td><td valign="Top">9<br></td><td valign="Top">1<br></td><td valign="Top">14<br></td><td valign="Top">-7<br></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#ff0000"><big><b>28</b></big><br></td><td valign="Top">-<br></td><td valign="Top">32.25<br></td><td valign="Top">@CLB, vDC,<br>@DAL, vMET<br></td></tr><tr><td valign="Top" bgcolor="#000000"><big><b><font color="#ffffff">DC United</font></b></big><br></td><td valign="Top">23<br></td><td valign="Top">6<br></td><td valign="Top">5<br></td><td valign="Top">12<br></td><td valign="Top">-9<br></td><td valign="Top" bgcolor="red"><big><b>23</b></big><br></td><td valign="Top">-<br></td><td valign="Top">34.2<br></td><td valign="Top">vSJ, @NE, @MET, <br>vMET, vDAL <br></td></tr></tbody></table><br><font="courier"><u>KEY</u><br>(W) or (E): Division Leader<br>PM#: Magic number to secure playoff spot (gained or 9th place lost) [conference in brackets]<br>SSF: Schedule Strength Factor (avg pts of all remaining opponents)<br><br><u>TIEBREAKERS</u><br>1) Head-to-Head<br>2) Goal Differential<br>3) Total Goals<br>4) Rules #1-3 (Road Games)<br>5) Rules #1-3 (Home Games)<br>6) Fewest Disciplinary Points<br>7) Coin Toss<br><br><u>CURRENT PLAYOFF MATCHUPS</u><br>(1) San Jose v Kansas City (8)<br>(2) Chicago v Metrostars (7)<br>(3) Los Angeles v Columbus (6)<br>(4) Dallas v Colorado (5)<br><br><u>TEAMS STILL INVOLVED IN US OPEN CUP</u><br>Los Angeles, Dallas, Columbus, Kansas City (Semifinals)<br><br></font></body></html>
  2. Coach_Barry

    Coach_Barry Member

    Aug 18, 2001
    Taunton, MA
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just picking nits


    Dallas isn't quite qualified yet.

    They have 40 points.

    If they lose all of their remaining 4 games and NE win their remaining 4 games they will be tied for 40 points each.

    One of the remaining games is a head to head between NE and Dallas, so NE would have the tie breaker with 2 wins over Dallas.

    I would bet my last dime against this scenario, but the mathematical possibility exists.

  3. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's not just Hala who has reported that Dallas has qualified, so, while your scenario sounds logical, there may be other factors at work that means Dallas has qualified.

    But I don't really know.

    KC must be starting to sweat some serious bullets...

    ...and if the Metros lose to the Galaxy this weekend...
  4. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dallas has qualified for the playoffs. For them to not qualify, not only NE would have to have 40+ points, but so would seven other teams. DC can't reach 40.

    To reach 40 points KC would have to win their 3 remaining games (beating Colorado twice). Colorado has 36 points; to get to 40 they have to get at least one point against KC. Both KC and Colorado can't catch Dallas. ERGO, Dallas is in!
  5. Viking64

    Viking64 Member

    Feb 11, 1999
    Tarheel State
    I can hardly control myself. Home field advantage throughout the playoffs is a whisper away.
  6. SoccerEsq

    SoccerEsq Member

    Aug 28, 2000
    Maryland SoccerPlexish
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anybody else bothered by the fact 5 of the 8 teams who would currently make it don't have winning records?

    Personally, even if DC climbs back in by some miracle, it'll still be really hard for me to take MLS playoffs seriously.
  7. DouginSJ

    DouginSJ New Member

    Mar 15, 2000
    San Jose, CA USA
    Have you ever really taken the MLS playoffs seriously? When 80% of the teams make it, it's a little bit of a farce. But that's a topic for another post...
  8. xoid

    xoid New Member

    Jun 17, 2002
    Little Rock, AR
    Sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but shouldn't Dallas be in the third slot in the playoff bracket instead of Los Angeles?
  9. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    You aren't, but I posted it and got going on something else....and now I can't edit the post.

    (1) San Jose v Kansas City (8)
    (2) Chicago v Metrostars (7)
    (3) Dallas v Columbus (6)
    (4) Los Angeles v Colorado (5)
  10. profiled

    profiled Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 7, 2000
    slightly north of a mile high
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    At this point being an LA fan i'd much rather have to play Colorado then Columbus.
  11. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At this point being a Colorado fan I'd much rather have to play LA than Dallas
  12. FFan

    FFan New Member

    Oct 27, 1999
    Naperville, IL
    At this point being a Fire fan I don't care who we play, we still go to the second round.
  13. dred

    dred Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    Land of Champions
    Has anyone figured out what happens if the eastern conference winner faces a western conference team with a better record in the semis?

    Who gets the extra home game? ie, does seeding count only for determining opponent?

    This makes a huge difference for teams in the western race, as second place would be nearly as good as first.
  14. TeamUSA

    TeamUSA Member

    Nov 24, 1999
    Tianjin, China
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At this point being a Rapids fan I don't care as long as Veronica and ESPN come back to Colorado for another match.
  15. BrianCappellieri

    BrianCappellieri Red Card

    Feb 11, 2002
    At this point being a Revs fan, I don't care as long as we don't finish last...again.

    And we beat the MetroScum in the last game of the season. :)
  16. Frank Cunha

    Frank Cunha New Member

    Sep 17, 2001
    Cappellari I still got the yellow card, and we did the same thing.
  17. BrianCappellieri

    BrianCappellieri Red Card

    Feb 11, 2002
    Check your PMs, Mr. Cunha.
  18. lufty

    lufty Member

    Aug 21, 2000
    Revs magic number is now 10 techincally cause we lose tie breaker to the muts. hehe... blah i know but I thought I would say it
  19. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So what are the MLS tiebreaking rules? I ask because Colorado has the tiebreaker over New England (2 wins, 2 losses but +1 Goal Differential) but against DC they won 2-0 and lost 0-2, so what's the next tiebreaker?
  20. lufty

    lufty Member

    Aug 21, 2000
    the tie breaker is goal dif total season not per team
  21. clevfutbol23

    clevfutbol23 New Member

    Feb 15, 2002
    I dont know if this is completely wrong but dont the winners of each conference get buys into the second rounds so that they can promote the semifinal with homefield advantage while giving lower seeds a chance to advance farther than projected?

    I may have dreamt this

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