Had me confused. I'd read earlier that if the Galaxy win out, they are in. Then I read the MLSnet article tonight and it fails to mention it. Then I come to BS to get the truth. Because, you know, BS is synonymous with truth. I'm looking forward to Thursday's Galaxy/Redbull game more than I've looked forward to a regular season MLS game in a long time!
As a Galaxy fan I hope I do not experience anywhere near the same amount of emotions that I did during the last time they played. A commanding 3-0 win would be just fine
And the ref for the LA-NY game is....(drum roll please)......BRIAN HALL. Arena might want to keep Mathis on the bench or he will surely get a red card in this one, just on rep alone.
... I can't believe it's not Beckham update ... Code: [b] [U] GP W L D PTS GR MPP PPG T# M# SSE#[/U] 1 DCU 29 16 6 7 55 1 58 1.90 - - 4 2 CDC 29 15 7 7 52 1 55 1.79 - - 1* 3 HOU 29 15 8 6 51 1 54 1.76 - - - 4 NER 29 14 8 7 49 1 52 1.69 - - - 5 FCD 29 13 11 5 44 1 47 1.52 - - - 6 NYR 30 12 11 7 43 0 43 1.43 - - - 7 CHI 29 9 10 10 37 1 40 1.28 - 2 - 8 KCW 29 10 12 7 37 1 40 1.28 - 2 - ------------------------------------------------------- 9 COL 29 9 12 8 35 1 38 1.21 2 4 - [COLOR="SlateGray"]10 CMB 29 8 11 10 34 1 37 1.17 1^ 5 -[/COLOR] 11 LAG 29 9 13 7 34 1 37 1.17 1 5 - [COLOR="SlateGray"]12 TFC 29 6 17 6 24 1 27 0.83 - - - 13 RSL 29 5 15 9 24 1 27 0.83 - - -[/COLOR] * DC United clinches the SS. At best Chivas can tie DC United's current 55 points, but DC United owns the head-to-head tiebreaker. ^ Columbus has been [URL="https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12979243&postcount=134"]eliminated[/URL]. Teams in [COLOR="SlateGray"]gray[/COLOR] have been eliminated from the playoffs. MPP = Most Points Potential = PTS + (3*GR) T# = Tragic Number = MPP – (8th Place PTS) + 1 M# = Magic Number = (Highest 9th to 13th Place MPP) – PTS + 1 SSE# = SS Elimination Number = MPP - (1st Place PTS) + 1 [/b] Code: [B]Remaining League Schedule CDC: HOU CHI: LAG CMB: [USER=3840]DCU[/USER] COL: RSL DCU: CMB FCD: KCW HOU: @CDC KCW: @FCD LAG: @CHI NER: @TFC NYR: --- RSL: @COL TFC: NER [/B]
Re: ... I can't believe it's not Beckham update ... Who should qualify should CHI, KCW, LAG & CLB tie 4-way at the end of the season at 37 points? (bear in mind that CLB is already eliminated, but can it still play a part in the tie-breakers?)
Re: ... I can't believe it's not Beckham update ... https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12979243&postcount=134
... 4-way Tiebreaker - corrected There's a (in the end inconsequential) clerical error on the 37 point four-way tie-breaker I posted last week. Here's a corrected version. If: LA wins (and so CHI loses) Columbus wins KC loses Then: KCW, LAG, CHI and CMB will be tied at 37 points Chicago – Total Games (6) Code: W D L KCW 2 0 1 CMB 2 1 0 LAG 0 0 2 (hypothetical, currently: 0-0-1) Columbus – Total Games (6) Code: W D L CHI 0 1 2 KCW 1 0 2 LAG 1 0 1 (To be decided on GD) Kansas City – Total Games (6) Code: W D L CMB 2 0 0 CHI 1 0 2 LAG 0 1 1 Los Angeles – Total Games (6) Code: W D L CMB 1 0 1 (To be decided on GD) CHI 2 0 0 (hypothetical:, currently,: 1-0-0) KCW 1 1 0 That would give you a four-way head-to-head table of: Code: W D L LAG 4 1 1 (hypothetical:, currently,: 3-1-1) CHI 4 1 3 (hypothetical:, currently,: 4-1-2) KCW 3 1 4 CMB 2 1 5 I accidentally recorded KCW's LAG record wrong last time. But I had the right record in the final total.
Tell me if this is correct. As long as either KC or Col lose, and the Galaxy win, their in the playoffs.
Yes. Also true if Colorado ties. If LA wins their last game, and either KC loses or Colorado doesn't win, then the Galaxy advance.
OK, I'm too tired to think. Someone tell me, is there a scenerio in which if LA win, LA is in, if Chicago wins, Chicago is in, and with a draw on Sunday, either Col or KC are in? That 3-way scenerio to me is the most exciting option on Sunday.
i like to state this sentence as: If LA wins their last game, and either Dallas wins or RSL gets at least a point, then the Galaxy advance.
I just hope Colorado does not win...No offense to them, but the thought of them in the playoffs does not excite me. I'd most like to see LA and Chi, then LA and KC, then KC and Chi. I don't know if there is a scenario where Colorado and KC get in, but that would be...ugh. I guess thats just my playoff wish list and not really much analysis...
if Colorado wins, and if KC gets a point (or 3), and if LA beats Chicago, then both Colorado and KC are in the playoffs.
LA is in with a win on Sunday only if either of the following happen: - Dallas gets three points vs KC - or RSL gets at least a point vs Colorado Chicago controls their own destiny with a win. Three more points and they are in the playoffs, no matter what happens in the other games. The same can be said about KC. Three more points for KC and they are in the playoffs, no matter what happens in the other games. with a Chicago-LA draw, LA are out, so 2 of the group of Chicago/KC/Colorado would advance to the playoffs. see the Tie-Breakers thread for the very detailed discussion of the analysis of the various scenarios. (there's even a possible 4-way tie on 37 points that could involve Columbus, but I don't think they hold the tiebreakers against LA/Chicago/KC, the teams that could finish in that 4-way tie at 37 with them).
Its not possible. For Chicago to be eliminated on a draw, two teams would have to be at 38 or higher. LA tops out at 37. So if Chicago can be eliminated with a draw LA will already be eliminated.
so, is Chicago in with a draw on Sunday? I know they're in with a win. but if they draw, is that enough? it knocks out LA. but Chicago's 38 points could lead to (if KC draws and Colorado wins) -- a three-way tie on 38 between Chicago/KC/Colorado in which two teams advance to the playoffs. or Chicago's 38 points could lead to (if KC wins and Colorado wins) -- a two-way tie on 38 points between Chicago/Colorado, and KC will be in as the 7th team with 40 points. does Chicago advance out of both of those tie-breakers? (is one point enough for Chicago this weekend to advance, regardless of other results?)
CHI-COL-KC: Head-to-head: Code: W D L PCT PPG CHI 2 2 1 .600 1.600 COL 0 4 0 .500 1.000 KC 1 2 2 .400 1.000 Chicago gets the first spot. The other spot depends on your interpretation of the tiebreaker rules. If it's by the H2H table above and H2H is really by percentage and not points per game, COL gets in. If I'm right and it resets to COL-KC H2H (two draws) or if the H2H table doesn't reset and is determined by PPG, the second spot would go to goal differential (currently -2 for KC, -4 for COL)/goals scored (huge KC lead), which depends on the COL margin of victory over RSL. COL would have to win by 3 or more to advance. CHI-COL: H2H is two draws. COL would advance on goal difference (currently -4 for COL, -6 for CHI).
thanks. looks like a decent analysis. don't know if it is right, and there are a lot of questions about how to read the tie-break rule, or how MLS would read the tie-break rules, if necessary. but i do know that 4 draws in games for Colorado equals 1 point per game, just like KC got 1 point per game in the five games it played against Colorado/Chicago.
Colorado scenarios to clinch playoffs Colorado win vs. RSL and any of the following also happen: KCW lose @ FCD LAG win @ Chi KC draws Dallas and Colorado's winning margin against RSL is 3 or more goals +++++++++ KC scenarios to clinch playoffs* (edited with correction as pointed our below) KC win @ FCD KC draw @ FCD and Colorado do not win vs. RSL by more than 2 goals KC lose @ FCD, but Colorado either lose or draw vs. RSL +++++++++ LA scenarios to clinch playoffs LA win @ Chi, and either Colorado lose or draw vs RSL, or KC lose @ FCD ++++++++ Chicago scenarios to clinch playoffs CHI win vs. LA or CHI draw vs. LA, and either Colorado lose or draw vs. RSL, or KC lose or draw @ FCD or CHI lose vs. LA, but both Colorado lose or draw vs. RSL, and KC lose @ FCD ++++++++ Houston scenarios to clinch #1 seed in Western Conference Houston win @ Chivas ++++++++ Chivas scenarios to clinch #1 seed in Western Conference Chivas win or draw vs. Houston
question on: KC scenarios to clinch playoffs KC win or draw @ FCD or KC lose @ FCD, but Colorado either lose or draw vs. RSL +++++++++ if KC draw at Dallas, and Chicago draws or wins and Colorado wins by more than 2 goals, KC does not advance with 38 points, correct? KC is in with a win. But if they draw, they need help from either LA winning or RSL not losing by 3 or more goals. also, a KC loss means KC can only qualify with a Colorado loss or draw vs. RSL and a LA loss or a draw vs. Chicago.
Also Chi draw and KC win And according to the MLS playoff release: Colorado Rapids: • Will clinch a playoff spot IF: · Colorado defeats Real Salt Lake on Saturday AND any two of the following occur: · Los Angeles does not win both its games this week -Check · Chicago loses or ties Sunday So a Chicago draw would be enough regardless of the KC result (Now I'm not sure this last one is correct, just pointing it out)
I think you are correct. Definitely correct in the "Chicago wins" case. In the "Chicago draws" case there is a 3-way tie, and I think that if Colorado beats out KC on goal difference, then KC is out under any of the various interpretations of the 3-way tie that I know of.
I think both LA and Chicago advance to the playoffs if all of the following occur this weekend: - Dallas defeats KC. - Colorado does not defeat RSL. - LA defeats Chicago.