MLS is Back Tournament [Rs]

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  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. threeputzzz

    threeputzzz Member+

    May 27, 2009
    Minnesota
    Very much looking forward to this. It sounds like they are going to great lengths policy wise to minimize the possibility of an outbreak at the site, which I assume would bring the whole thing to a screeching halt. Hopefully the weather cooperates, Florida summers can be brutal.
     
  3. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Unprecedented access to players and coaches".

    I'm a SKC fan, so it will be interesting to hear what Vermes is saying when it looks like the veins on his temples look like they are about ready to explode. :)
     
  4. Dayton Ref

    Dayton Ref Member+

    May 3, 2012
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    The 'F' word. The rest is just filler.
     
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  5. Scrabbleship

    Scrabbleship Member

    May 24, 2012
    Firstly, what a terrible name. Secondly, I pray they don't add artificial crowd noise cause it sounds terrible on the sports I've seen it used on so far. Finally, I wonder how all the officials feel about being away from their families for a month as I presume they won't be allowed to come and go.
     
  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This has been and is continuing to be negotiated. It’s a particularly tough issue for ARs who have other jobs. Nothing is settled yet insofar which officials will be attending (and how they will be compensated).

    But yes, whoever goes will be there for the duration or until they are released unless something unexpected changes that policy.
     
  7. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Hmm...might we see Rs as AR for that reason? (Probably not, but theses seem like the kind of times when anything is possible.)
     
  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No. But you might not see certain ARs who are otherwise fit and active.
     
  9. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This whole tournament strikes me as a really, really bad idea, plus we have to update the database schema to accommodate the knockout stage.
     
  10. threeputzzz

    threeputzzz Member+

    May 27, 2009
    Minnesota
    Curious - is it a bad idea because it won't generate sufficient tv audience to be worthwhile or because of the risk to everyone's health from the pandemic? Or something else?
     
  11. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The latter. MLS has never generated a TV audience.
     
  12. balilla

    balilla New Member

    Mar 7, 2013
    I do wonder if we will see some new faces for this tournament due to others availability/willingness to be away.
     
  13. GearRef

    GearRef Member

    Manchester City
    United States
    Jan 2, 2018
    La Grange Park, Illinois
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  14. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think you'll see anyone new outside the bargaining unit unless you have information that I don't.

    You will see a reduced pool of officials, though. Some big name referees have opted not to go on top of those who already failed to pass fitness prior to start of the season. And then a lot of ARs simply couldn't make the commitment. I think you're going to be around 75% participation for referees and around 60% for ARs.
     
  15. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What about referees who passed fitness after the season started but before the suspension? Are they excluded?
     
  16. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think so and wouldn't see why they would be.

    But I think there might be one referee who falls into that category that is choosing not to attend for personal reasons.

    Don't want to get ahead of myself with names because everything is just getting confirmed. But I think there will be a couple big surprise absences that are truly all down to personal choice and nothing more. Then again, there might be a couple surprises that do relate to fitness.
     
  17. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Not asking this to be difficult or snarky, but why would PRO and MLS not want to use this as a chance to give some new officials a chance and to reduce the chance of overwork for its full time crew?

    While I know it’s not perfect, I don’t think MLS officiating is as poor as many fans think it is. The area where I do think fans have a point is depth. After the top few officials and ARs, there is a decent-sized drop off. MLS isn’t the only country like this (honestly, England is a prime example of this as well). This might be a way to see which younger referees could step in to bolster the ranks.
     
  18. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That’s just not how it works.

    Your regular employees have been sitting at home all season. There's a union. There's a collective bargaining agreement (and a special agreement for this). There are lost wages.

    I don't even know how else to address this. It's not a local tournament where you give younger referees a shot. It's the top professional division with professional referees. New officials come in on very specific terms based on the CBA. Also, there'd be no way to monitor new officials' fitness.

    Going back to the post above that started this discussion, maybe there's a new AR for the 2020 season who was already slated for some trial games or something like that. If you see a new name (which I have no knowledge of), then that's the only way it would happen. To my knowledge, all the officials (I think it's in the high 40s insofar as count) are bargaining unit members and officials you have already seen on the field.
     
  19. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Anyone know what the situation is like in Italy and Spain where they are pretty much having games every day? Are they bringing in "new" officials for some of these games?
     
  20. balilla

    balilla New Member

    Mar 7, 2013
    I only mentioned it with regards to too many officials declining to come from the AR side. With the refs being employees I'm guessing they have less says in the matter.
     
  21. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Have they announced who's working this tournament yet? I just went to PRO's site, and there are no announcements as to who's working yet, and the first games are Wednesday.
     
  22. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Internally, assignments have been made through at least the 12th of July.

    However, PRO isn't going to make anything public until probably the day before at the earliest, perhaps the morning of for the late games.

    Basically, if they announce assignments ahead of time and then they change, it's a big red flag that someone tested positive, and they will want to avoid that for privacy reasons. I'm sure there are PR reasons, too, but privacy is the driving factor here.
     
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    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
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  24. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    This is probably another reason as to why they are probably waiting until the ball is kicked to publish assignments.

    No one has any idea if the tournament will be even completed.

    Hopefully, PSRA negotiated this tournament well in terms of pay as essentially three matches just eliminated due to FC Dallas' with-drawl from the tournament.

    That's roughly 12 game checks the referees lose.
     
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  25. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's what I'm expecting to see over the next day or two:
    Toronto and Colorado openers postponed due to late arrival in Orlando
    Nashville withdrawn
    Bunch of schedule changes to turn it into 6 groups of 4, pissing everyone off even more.

    Oh and it's supposed to start WEDNESDAY? lol
     
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