Mitt Romney for President -- Part Something plus One

And the idea that tax credits are somehow encouraging or rewarding people to reproduce is no less stupid than the assertion that higher taxes make people less productive or that welfare makes people lazy or that giving away condoms make teenagers promiscuous.

Even with tax credits, children are expensive and limit career flexibility. Sure, some people have more children than they can handle, but that's a choice that's going to be made regardless of the tax credits in place, and additional children still are incredible commitments in time and money and energy.

Which isn't to say people should go around popping out babies nilly willy. But further limiting parents' ability to give their children adequate care/education while being productive isn't going to help anyone, even childless people.

 

Isn't that both of them?

 

It seems that you don't love Jesus.

 

You made me laugh there. Close, but I don't believe that Obama is promising tax cuts.

 

I'm kinda guessing here, but I bet those student credits don't even amount to the interest they'll end up paying later on their student loans, nevermind the base amount of that loan.

 

We need to out-source the children, I am sure that it would cost a lot less than 15K per year to raise a child in Guatemala or Bangladesh than in the USA.

They could probably have the best schools, teachers, nurses, doctors, police security etc. for a few thousand per year.

Shit if $20 bucks a month can feed a child in El Salvador; imagine what $1,000 per month can buy down there.

 

You had me nodding in agreement and thinking that I should move to MN, and then I remembered that MN unleashed Michelle Bachmann on the world.

 

Dude, $75k seems like barely living wage, even in the outer boroughs.

 

Hey, I bet a lot of states have a crazy representative or two.

 

Can you even rent a 500 square foot closet for 23K a year in NYC?

 

But you see that is another example of the government subsidizing employers, if people do not make enough money to have children or to support them after they are born, why should the government step in and give them benefits over single/childless people?

People with children should put pressure on their employers for higher wages so they can take care of their children, the government should not be helping companies by subsidizing child care.

IMO.

 

Well no shit, but you mentioned credits, not just freebies.

And, since you mentioned it, you also get to deduct any interest you paid throughout the year on your student loans (now that one I'll be making use of for quite awhile).

 

But then, employers will simply hire single, childless people who will work longer hours for lower pay with shittier benefits.

 

Not all interest and it depends on how much you make.

 

As your employer's HR department. Some offer it, some don't.

 

Well you win some and lose some, I guess the govenment would then have to create laws that make it difficult to discriminate against breeders.

In reality you are right, governments want people to have children, so benefits will go to them (people with children also have more votes).

I guess I should be happy we are not Russia, where they actually pay people to have children.

 

I tend to think families offer a net positive to communities, even to childless people, so there's that. Though I'm clearly not a disinterested party.

 

I'll take your word for it, personally I'm able to deduct all my student loan interest paid and I must not make enough money for it to impact the deduction.

 

This thread sure has taken on a boring topic.

 

I blame Mitt.. If his campaign wasn't a walking gaffe machine, the election would be more interesting.. Instead we're stuck here the day before the election twiddling our thumbs talking about FSA and daycare.

 

Is this where we start talking about how daycare slows potty training down?

 

Because mommy and/or daddy don't have to clean as many poopy diapers. The wife and I have a little party every time we see the BM checkbox marked. If we had to clean poopy diapers every day, that little bastard would have been crapping in a toilet months ago.