MFO reply to Harrison deal falling through?

Discussion in 'New York Red Bulls' started by Brownswan, Nov 10, 2004.

  1. Brownswan

    Brownswan New Member

    Jun 30, 1999
    Port St. Lucie, FL
    I just spoke by phone with my Sales Rep, Tim Sinclair, and told him I wouldn't renew my season ticket until Metro made a statement about the reported demise of the stadium deal.

    Metro FO continues to work with the city of Harrison on the stadium, I was told. I urged him to get Nick or someone from the ofice online with a statement affirming that stance. I doubt we will get that.

    Mr. Sinclair did say "while we appreciate being included in the Govs. plans for the Meadowlands..." and I said, "Wait. Why would you appreciate having to fund a 700 million rebuild, because the intent is to have the tenants fund the project?" No real answer to that, but he agree Metro/MLS cannot afford to remain a tenant at the rates NJSEA exacts.

    We need to get to Nick about this: We are working with the city; the stadium is still on. Fact or fiction?

    The deal is not done till the spade turns some earth, but I'm not ready to say it's dead on the shotgun comments of a caretaker Governor.
     
  2. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Re: Harrison: Not Done, But Not Dead

    Doesn't Codey realize he has alienated literally DOZENS of hardcore Metro fan voters?

    Governors are only powerful when they're enforcing laws and disbursing state money. This project uses no state money. He doesn't have jurisdiction unless he changes some rules or the state legislature changes some laws. Also, since he's not putting any money into the Meadowlands on behalf of the Metro, there's no reason for the Metros to do a single thing he says.
     
  3. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Harrison: Not Done, But Not Dead

    Hey Nick / MFO -- we know you're here. We know you're reading this.

    Here's what you must do ASAP, preferably today, if you don't want to completely lose your most trusting and loyal fan base: Issue a statement clarifying the status of public financing for the project. I don't want to hear that the Town of Harrison is still committed to it and I don't want to see any flashy new drawings of it, because those things are totally irrelevant today. We know that Harrison cannot float its own bonds to finance the project. They need the HCIA to do that for them. I want to know if/when the HCIA is going to add the $90 million bond issue to their agenda, and if they are, at what meeting it's going to take place.

    If you, MFO, cannot provide this information ASAP, I'm assuming that the deal is dead and I'm not renewing for next season or any future season. I know that getting things built in Hudson County is like pulling teeth, but I also know that we've been dicked around for years on this and all we really want is someone to level with us on the status. You're still negotiating with the HCIA? Fine, tell us that. You've moved on to some other financing scheme because you've given up on the HCIA? Fine, tell us that. You're just going to pay for it? Fine (and, as a NJ taxpayer, hallelujah), tell us that. You're keeping us at the Meadowlands and renegotiating the lease beyond '05? Then tell us that, too. We're adults here; we can take it.

    But until then, the silence is deafening, and fans are dropping off like flies. You've fucked us over 50 too many times at this point and you're a leech on the league. I'd rather just buy the MLS Shootout and support the league that way. None of you deserve our money.
     
  4. Thomas A Fina

    Thomas A Fina Member

    Mar 29, 1999
    Hell
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Harrison: Not Done, But Not Dead

    But how much behind the scenes arm-twisting is going on here?

    Jersey politics is Byzantine even by US standards.
     
  5. stinky

    stinky New Member

    May 14, 2000
    Long Beach, NY
    Re: Harrison: Not Done, But Not Dead

    well said obie.

    there's alway been to many words like "hoping" "expecting" "confident" etc in every frigggin statement.

    give us a concrete statement.
     
  6. jamison

    jamison Member

    Sep 25, 2000
    NYC
    Re: Harrison: Not Done, But Not Dead

    I agree that the Metrostars Front Office owes it's fans (all fans, not just people here or wherever else) a press release. An honest to god, no B.S. assessment of the current status, and the current plans. It doesn't have to be fancy, and I don't expect it here or anywhere else besides on their site. Just type up a simple 3 paragraph explanation. Fans owe them 24 hours of patience to respond.

    As a professional organization, they owe their customers that much.

    If this organization would like to be respected, it has to respect it's patrons right back. There is no "hey, come to bigsoccer and explain yourself" mandate needed, just update your web site with a press release for all to read. Tell everyone what is going on, or suffer the PR hit from fans for not doing so. There is the possibility that this is just a wildcat declaration by a Governor that nobody knows, and that the HCIA is really still on track. But, if that's the case, someone has to say it.

    Let's hope Ives, Michael Lewis, Jane Havsy and Colin Stephenson are driving 90mph down the turnpike in the direction of the MFO.
     
  7. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Re: Harrison: Not Done, But Not Dead

    Really, why 24 hours? Why can't they tell us what's happening now? Every passing hour, it seems to me, is just a measure of their incompetence.
     
  8. Shabs

    Shabs Member

    Jun 19, 2002
    NYC
    FYI, Peter Wilt just responded to the question "Is the Harrison Stadium deal dead?" in the Chi forum. One word response: "No".

    My thought is that, as we'll probably get from the MFO, it means that AEG/MFO is still trying to come up with a way to get the deal done in/with Harrison, but without the HCIA funding. Which leaves us at AEG paying for it, or we're done..
     
  9. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    What's wrong with this picture?

    Metro fans have to get information about a potential Metro stadium from an opposing teams GM? :confused:
     
  10. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Thank you, Peter Wilt.
     
  11. Shabs

    Shabs Member

    Jun 19, 2002
    NYC
    His response has ben amended to "Not that I know of". For further updates, check the thread yo'selves.
     
  12. Metros Back Office

    Metros Back Office New Member

    Oct 9, 2001
    Well have an answer for you gentlemen in 60-90 years.
     
  13. nyrmetros

    nyrmetros Member

    Feb 7, 2004
    Thanx for the reply! Any chance the Metros will be putting on a puppet show soon?
     
  14. studsup

    studsup New Member

    Aug 12, 2001
    Garden State, born N
    Separation of Church and State

    Separation of Stadium and State

    Is that too much to ask.....

    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that most of the money comes frorm the soda, hots dogs, beer and all the other concessions at the stadium.

    Remember a while back in the stadium there used to be guys that'd carry around trays of soda, beers and ice cream.... You know how you don't really see them anymore? Maybe McGreevy got them all postions on the board in Harrsion.

    Like the last line that Jack Nicholson movie. They lead him down the block away form the degradation, the carnage, the lost hopes and broken dreams the sullied llives and corruption that permeates every pore of the city and they tell him, "Come on Jake, It's Chinatown"

    Come one, Fellas, "It's The Swamp..."
     
  15. Brownswan

    Brownswan New Member

    Jun 30, 1999
    Port St. Lucie, FL
    I get the feeling Nick only needs fans who will shell out for the season package, no questions asked; accept any level of performance from the team, no questions asked; accept any player from anywhere at any price (under the cap) of any ability or lack there -of, no questions asked.

    I also get the feeling Nick does not need me -- no answer expected.
     
  16. soccerfan

    soccerfan BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 13, 1999
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    he is thinking,

    might take a while for him to make up an answer that will quiet us
     
  17. Brownswan

    Brownswan New Member

    Jun 30, 1999
    Port St. Lucie, FL
    I won't be quiet. I posted an email to the Metrostars.com contact us address. Simply, I won't renew my season ticket till we get word from the MFO about this matter -- one way or another. Honest answers -- straight, no chaser.

    They sent me a certificate this year, in honor of my holding a season pass since '96. I fell like returning it, and I told them that. WE don't want to abandon Metro, but we would like the truth -- plain, unvarnished. I don't want to hear that negotiations are delicate; that premature info releases will upset whatever apple cart is loading the pipins that will end in a stadium

    BS does not always stand for BigSoccer.
     
  18. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    I did receive an e-mailed response from the MetroStars early this evening. The final sentence indicated:

    We are still on course for a new stadium in 2006.

    They're still working on the Harrison Stadium issue, but on the other hand, they're also delighted that the new stadium is being mentioned in Codey's plans as being part of the redevelopment project in the Meadowlands.

    So, just like Obie has already stated, no specifics given such as the status of the public financing of the project. If they're still working on Harrison, why would they be exited to hear that they're being considered for the redevelopment?

    If anyone here is expecting to hear "specifics", you're going to be very dissapointed.
     
  19. crusio

    crusio New Member

    May 10, 2004
    Princeton
    I spoke to Mr. Alessandra at METRO. His reasoning was now there is just another option on the table that wasn't there a couple weeks ago. Both Harrison and The Meadowlands are now viable choices. He also said the team will release a statement when they are ready. Guess they are not ready yet. But expect to above line to be their spin. 'This is a good thing, now we have to sites to choose from.'​
    Several weeks ago I declined my 5 season tickets. My reason, which I explained to Alessandra, was that this organization was moving backwards. This has nothing to do with the team on the field, I support METRO with all I have. Financially, emotionally and a pretty decent sales person bringing lots of people to games each season. But I was, and still am fed up with the way they run their 'club'. They don't know a thing about selling soccer and building something meaningful. Its just about selling tickets, to whomever. It's not about building a fan base in a true soccer club sense. To be fair, another reason I cancelled is becuase I view the regular season as meaningless. And from the sense of urgency I have seen over the past few regular seasons, so do the players. Ofcourse, I will still go to games. Just not as many as I have over the last 2 seasons. I will not financially commit to a team whos leaders lie, I don't support nor respect. If I see some progress I will be the first person on the phone ordering my tickets again. Not becuase I have too. I can go buy a $5 dollar ticket from a scalper and sit where ever, anytime I want. I would do it because I want to support a REAL SOCCER CLUB.
    PS: How do I become a member of the ESC? Thats one organization I should have supported earlier, but I was remiss in not doing so.​
     
  20. crusio

    crusio New Member

    May 10, 2004
    Princeton
    Peter Wilt is forthcoming on some issues and toes the company line with many other issues. He is a good man and a great GM for coming here and being available. he doesn't have to do that. Just remember though, he is entrenched in and works for this league. Take what he says, then give it some thought before buying it.
     
  21. swedcrip34

    swedcrip34 New Member

    Mar 17, 2004
    Wilt has been nothing more than honest. When he can't comment, he says he can't. Here he was careful to say, "no, as far as I know". Why would he know the inner details of the HCIA situation? There's no company line here. But there's a good chance if the deal is dead that he wouldn't know.
     
  22. nyrmetros

    nyrmetros Member

    Feb 7, 2004
    go to www.empiresc.com
    check out the boards at www.metrofanatic.com
    Come out to the annual membership drive at Nathan Hales
    join the club! :)
     
  23. Sempuukyaku

    Sempuukyaku Member+

    Apr 30, 2002
    Seattle, WA
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Not cool AT ALL. Peter has been an honest man that is straightforward and honest with his fans, even when the league many times wishes he'd keep his mouth shut.


    Keep your focus on your front office, not on taking jabs at Peter Wilt.
     
  24. crusio

    crusio New Member

    May 10, 2004
    Princeton
    I stand behind what I said. If you guys look at him as the second coming, then by all means, carry on. He is a good GM and outs himself outthere, thats admirable. Especially in a league where noone else does. That aside, I am entitled to my opinion.
     
  25. crusio

    crusio New Member

    May 10, 2004
    Princeton
    I agree, he appears to relay facts to the best of his knowledge. Very true. When it comes time to offer his opinions on the league; he generally just blindly defends or talks around the question. This is just my take and I havn't read all things Peter, so perhaps I could be wrong. It is just the impression that he left me with. In this case, we are talking about a fact... the stadium deal... So I suspect he would be as forthcoming as he usually is. My bad.
     

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