Merry Christmas! Marquez released!

Discussion in 'New York Red Bulls' started by metz, Dec 10, 2012.

  1. metz

    metz Member

    Jan 17, 2003
  2. theENFORCER

    theENFORCER Member

    Apr 10, 2010
    NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This man has almost single handily brought our organization to ruins..

    Our team despite some success has been a mess but I really do think a large part of the mess is because of Raffa. We'll be a completely different and better squad without him, like a kid riding his bike without his training wheels for the first time
     
  3. jcr3

    jcr3 Member

    Mar 17, 2009
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The biggest problem with Rafa was that he was using up a valuable DP slot and the opportunity being lost of getting a real impact player for $4.6M per year. Whether it is Kaka or someone else, he would would certainly be a huge improvement.

    This gives new management the opportunity to find that true CAM. Cahill was certainly a very good acquisition, but not quite that creative midfielder that would be a good addition or certainly a top central defender would also be a welcome addition. I just hope we get someone who certainly wants to play here and would make the fans also want to come and see him.

    I was very wrong about Marquez as I thought he would bring in loads of the Mexican fans. I never had a problem with trying to find talent where our team felt they could find the talent to bring us the best team possible, but we did lack something that made the team bond with the fans and management that also helped that. I hope this new management does a better job at this.
     
  4. theENFORCER

    theENFORCER Member

    Apr 10, 2010
    NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Marquez goes down as the worst signing in MLS history. Such a worthless and destructive player, it's a pity that a player like Tyler Ruthven was a more effective CB than Marquez. We can almost credit two playoff losses to him, the regular season struggles, etc. He's been a disgrace to this team.

    The money freed up can be well used. I'm sure we can find a player costing around 100k who can do his job better.
     
  5. OleGunnar20

    OleGunnar20 Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    here is a link from ESPNDeportes where they actually talk to somebody at Leon about Rafa:

    http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news/story?id=1678801&s=mex&type=story

    looks like they are close to agreeing in principle with some details to work out, but not official yet. maybe your front office needs to know where the fans stand on Rafa to help motivate them to get this done and dusted?
     
  6. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
    Brick City
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
  7. metz

    metz Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    Because he isn't worth that much, that is why, Slim is only doing this with Marquez and Nery Castillo to impress the people because he want to take over the monopoly of Televisa and TV Azteca have on the futbol in Mexico....Telling the people, you see, I bring home our elders that international they don't want them any more, but I, will protect them for you to enjoy them in my TV....
     
  8. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
    Brick City
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    But again, that suggests he actually needs, is actively soliciting for Marquez. I'm not saying it should be a $5M transfer, but give us a mil just for the effort and that way the club gets some allocation money out of it. The richest guy in the world can certainly afford it. Put it another way, though, MLS may well balk at just cutting him loose. There may well be salary cap implications if his contract is just terminated. A nominal transfer fee smooths everything out, makes it easy.
     
  9. metz

    metz Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    What more you want, RBNY will have a 350K free plus a DP spot and the RB will save 4.3Million too, that will not have if isn't because Slim want to do that.... On the contrary if Rafa go to any other team, they will ask to the RBNY to pay at list 1/2 of his salary....So, this it is a good business for us....
     
  10. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
    Brick City
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    I dunno, it seems to me that, if he is getting out of his contract, that would entail either a buy-out or a cap hit of some kind. Since, I am loathe to see a cap hit, I think extracting even a fractional fee is preferable, especially when you consider Mr. Moneybags is itching to bring him in house. Players will often pay their old club to be released from the contract, but that usually is to become a free agent. In this case, there seems to be a buyer all lined up. Even if he is the most hated player on the club, that's no reason to lose all business sense. Rafa may not be worth what we originally payed, but that doesn't mean he is worthless. Even with just one year left on his deal, a nominal fee seems quite reasonable. And MLS might well squawk if the club wants to just cut him loose.
     
  11. metz

    metz Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    Oh! ...Woodrow, who is getting out of who?, ...that is the question?.... And I will answer that to you, isn't Rafa, is the RBNY who is getting out of the mess that Soler and Backe bring to the club and the only way to be in the wining side is let Rafa go with out restrictions, because to find some body to pay his salary is a miracle by him self, and to hope for a trade money for him is a insanity because if he don't find somebody willing to pay his 4.6Millions he will demand this from the RBNY and the RBNY is willing to let him go "yesterday" if somebody is willing to sign him for the same money or more, to save they sanity, money and the team.....
     
  12. Metrosuccess

    Metrosuccess Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS would love to swap out Rafa for Junino or Kaka. Even if they were upset, F em, RB pays for salary not MLS. Why would MLS want a DP to rot on our bench like Rafa????
     
  13. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
    Brick City
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    I'm surprised that you think MLS will look the other way in this situation. There are plenty of instances where HQ have screwed the club over. I don't think taking a $350K cap hit for voiding a contract without approval is going to help the club get better. In other words, YES, THEY NEED LEAGUE APPROVAL!

    More calmly, my thinking is this, even a nominal fee helps smooth things over. It's good business and sends the right message to the other MLS clubs and future counterparties alike. It is also perfectly reasonable unless you start panicking, pissing your pants and generally acting desperate. Feel free though.
     
  14. GMangs

    GMangs Red Card

    Apr 21, 2012
    NJ
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    If Marquez wants out and RB agrees, why should anyone stop them from ending the contract or punish either party?
     
  15. metz

    metz Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    Why the league will oppose the Marquez departure, at the contrary they will be happy if the RBNY find a happy exit for Rafa, they kill to bird with same stone.... Make happy a bunch of fans and open a spot to bring maybe a better ambassador of the sport....
     
  16. Mstars96

    Mstars96 Member

    Jul 13, 2003
    NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Marquez will never want out, too much money for him to lose, if the team calls him back he will be in uniform sadly, RB lost a ton of money on him, not only salary but they thought they were going to make loads of money on Mexican fans and only 3 showed up and 4 bought jerseys, the loan wont be close to what he makes, but they can afford it, good riddance asshole.
     
  17. Father Ted

    Father Ted BigSoccer Supporter

    Manchester United, Galway United, New York Red Bulls
    Nov 2, 2001
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Wow. There really is a Santa Claus.
     
  18. iced1776

    iced1776 Member+

    Dec 4, 2009
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    They may not have showed up at the stadium but I believe his jersey was one of the top selling in all of MLS, possibly even top 3.
     
  19. GMangs

    GMangs Red Card

    Apr 21, 2012
    NJ
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
  20. johndbenjamin

    johndbenjamin Member

    Feb 25, 2012
    New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I was never quite as down on him as others. He made some terrible mistakes on and off the field but he also had some great assists. That said, I am extremely glad to see him go because it will allow Dax to play where he needs to play and give us room for another DP. By the way, what does this mean for the overall financial situation vis-a-vis Cooper? Can we keep him now?
     
  21. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
    Brick City
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls

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