Media Malpractice, Hoax Purveying, Misleading Narratives and Other Sins of the 4th Estate Thread

It was Gupta who reached out to Rogan to come on his podcast. With the intent to send out a vaccine message. You're making up making up shit at this point to fit your perceived bias. This statement is complete BS.

Calling Rogan a conspiracy antivaxxer borders on propaganda. The guy has literally said that vulnerable people at risk should take the vaccine.

 

I agree. But whose fault is that ? Gupta literally came on the podcast to convince him of vaccine for all including children. If he isn't an expert he should have at least prepared better because it's clear that he was on a mission. Rogan is already on record saying vulnerable people should take the vaccine AS AN OPINION (not that his opinion matters that much) and not a recommendation.

From what I recall, this is where Gupta messed up:

- Stated that him, as a 51 year old who had 2 rounds of the vaccine, didn't feel it was necessary to take a booster shot because he felt safe given his healthy condition. Rogan latched on to that by asking why then a young healthy person including kids couldn't feel the same way and not worry about getting COVID if they were very highly likely to be fine. You'd have to make the case here that an unvaccinated young person catching COVID was much more likely to spread it than the rate for an older person whose vaccinated including breakthrough cases.

- With information out that natural immunity gives you better protection than the vaccine, kept trying to tell Rogan that him and other non-vaxxed people who already had COVID needed to get the vaccine. He presented no information to back that up other than making a very general statement that natural immunity may not last long.

- As I wrote in another post, regarding that myocarditis study, he should have said that he would take a look at it. The way he handled that part made it look like he was just trying to push an agenda without considering possible new facts. He didn't have to agree nor disagree.

I think he was good in touching on the subject that we still have many unknowns with COVID including the fact that it doesn't at times only attack the lungs.

 

The guy "literally" had Alex Jones on his show saying the UN gave people polio

 

Last time I checked it's called the Brogan podcast not the Gupta podcast. It is Rogan and Spotify that have the responsibility not to spread disinfo and bad information.

They research and edit the show. The idea is not to win a debate against a guest where bad info can triumph against a cypher of the mainstream media (CNN). That is exactly how the likes of Fox create anti-vaxx propaganda

In other words, in direct opposition to the public health efforts in all countries.

How many times does this stupidity need to be debunked? It's bogus on an individual level but also defeats the entire purpose of a nationwide vaccination programme.

i.e Vaxx disinfo.

Why is Brogan once again talking about crap he knows nothing about?

Brogan is killing people with his bad info.

 

It's morning big sofa television for bros



I get that he has a core thing he is good at and he built an audience that way. Good luck to him. It's like I don't care when Souness and Roy Keane fight about why Man Utd are shit. It's harmless entertainment.

But this is something that is killing people and undermining public health efforts that lives depend on.

 

Right.

I've created 100s of hours of documentary TV. The idea is you let the expert voices tell the story.

But of course there is inevitably a framing and agenda from my (my clients) side. When I am using the voices to prove/disprove something, or set up conflict - that is part of how television (or radio) is constructed, and a directorial decision that takes place outside the interview.

In this case there is only one correct answer. Get vaxxed.

By creating fake conflict whereby people should not get vaxxed Rogan is intentionally misleading his audience via the way the show was contructed.

This isn't a boxing match where Gupta might have "won" if only he'd been better at it. Rather he is being confronted with bad arguments and being asked to disprove them, in opposition to the guy who controls the format.

As you then point out, 2 people have come to the thread to talk about how Gupta "lost" or was "owned"

That is a triumph of propaganda and reveals how the audience were supposed to understand the show - i.e. Rogan winning because he just can't help himself after being previously ripped for his own stupidity

 

Spread of factually wrong information ... doesn't this literally with all sorts of news media 24 / 7 ? And this is not even a news podcast.

Not sure what you mean here.

The point was the term you're using which is anti-vaxxer when his position is more nuanced than that term is associated with.

The comment here was on Gupta's misstep of saying he felt safe himself without taking a booster just because he was healthy even if he is over 50. He basically expressed that his feeling of feeling safe was enough to make a vaccine decision. It was a perfectly legit statement to scrutinize because it also shows how many people think ... even non-vaxxers.

Complain to studies and articles like this then ...

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

https://www.science.org/content/art...er-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

Why is the NYT saying the same thing with all the editorial oversight they have ?

Boys between 16 and 19 years of age had the highest incidence of myocarditis after the second dose, according to a second study in the journal. The risk of heart problems in boys of that age was about nine times higher than in unvaccinated boys of the same age.

The absolute risk is still very small, and the condition temporary. And studies have shown that Covid-19 is much more likely to cause heart problems compared with vaccination.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/09/...itis-in-young-men-after-full-vaccination.html

Anyways … what I wrote was more a criticism at how poorly Gupta did . There is a legit opportunity here to get an expert in the subject to go on his podcast and make a supposed impact (although I have doubts about how much Rohan actually influences peoples opinions in this subject ). While Rogan may have barely researched headlines , they won’t be in a place like Fox News shows where the premises of the show is dishonest . And there won’t be shouting matches . Equating Rogan to Alex Jones is really absurd IMO … who is a legit dishonest wack job .

 

It seems necessary to point out that there is no "nuanced anti-vaxx position".

Everyone needs to get vaxxed or the programme will fail.

Old people did their bit and got vaxxed in vast numbers. The problem is younger "healthy" people who feel like they don't need to. Brogan continues to promote these completely wrongheaded ideas, and hype up supposed risks, plus reliance on useless drugs after you get sick.

And to repeat - Rogan had Alex Jones on his show where Jones promoted vaxx conspiracy

Why does he make those editorial choices?

It's all a big mystery

 

Well now freckles

What about that vote for Mango?

It will help you to talk about it

 

When are we getting on to the other sins of the 4th Estate.

Like sodomy

 

Sins of the 4th Estate is the thread title

If you meant gluttony then Hannity is looking quite porky these days

 

I think you've conveniently ignored the links I've provided from NYT and studies talking about vaccine reaction in teenage boys and natural immunity vs vaccine immunity.

Why does that pass editorial review ?

Regarding natural immunity vs vaxx immunity, it's not vaxx misinfo. The verdict is still out on that and that has been acknowledged by Fauci.

As for vaccination for kids, Swedem, Denmark and Finland have all paused Moderna vaccine for young boys due to that rare cardiovascular side effect. They've seen an increase in number of cases specifically with boys having taken the 2nd dose of Moderna. They are doing this out of precaution and rightly so. Or I guess they all listen to Rogan ...

https://apnews.com/article/coronavi...ealth-health-453163d8f93618fde90c06d3474921a0