Match #48, 2018 World Cup: Colombia vs. Senegal - 6/28/18

Discussion in 'GROUP H: Poland, Colombia, Senegal, Japan' started by Furnaccio, Jun 14, 2018.

  1. JoCryuff98

    JoCryuff98 Member+

    Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jan 3, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Colombia will be deadly in R16 for sure. Especially Mina being a danger in set pieces and stuff.
     
  2. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Where did I say it wasn't boneheaded? How does a team become boneheaded based off one player's actions?
     
  3. jogger

    jogger Member

    Jun 24, 2010
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    The problem is that cards can be subjective, CR7 against the iranian player should have seen red, but he escaped it somehow....
     
  4. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    I’m not defending anything I’m explaining the circumstances that just happened. Bone crushing tackles would be red cards anyway? Fair play is more likely to be determined on the type of referees you get. Some are card happy and others let things go. It’s a bizarre tactic to decide two teams fate.
     
  5. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Not to mention, Japan had no reason to foul in 2 of their 3 games -- vs. Colombia being a man up and today knowing the circumstances.
     
  6. TheHitman47

    TheHitman47 Member

    Jan 14, 2016
    Club:
    Manchester City FC

    They aren't overhyped.
     
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  7. TheHitman47

    TheHitman47 Member

    Jan 14, 2016
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Al
    Unlucky. Not overhyped at all. No one fabors us to do anything at the World Cup.
     
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  8. aguy2die4

    aguy2die4 Member

    Mar 26, 2005
    Seoul/London
    Thats something i did not consider.

    However all teams knew the rules of the tournament from the get go.

    Rules can't foresee how things will pan out and if the more 'deserving' team will benefit. In any case on points, goal differences and HtoH, Japan deserved to go through just as much as Senegal.

    It is a shame and quite ironic Japan played anti-football in the last 15min so that they could go through on Fair Play points rather than actually trying to score a goal.
     
  9. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Sure, the rules are the rules, whether we agree with them or not. No one is arguing that Japan got away with a rules violation or anything like that.

    Having said that, Japan found themselves in favorable situations to not be carded. The goalkeeper got a card in the Colombia game for time wasting when they were up a man. And then like you said, they played anti-football in the final 15 minutes vs Poland. It's a shame to say that they got through the group on those technicalities rather than merit based reasons.
     
  10. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    Really no different than having to play the same teams, but sometimes the order in which you play them could make all the difference in whether you qualify or not.
     
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  11. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    In that case it'd make more sense to base the "fair play" only on the cards given during the match between the two teams tied otherwise, no?

    We'd still need another layer of review, since the referee for that match would have too much power. Perhaps the cards given in each game should be reviewed after, VAR style, to make sure the cautions were consistent.

    Often bigger players are punished more harshly than smaller men, for example.
     
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  12. Phillyspur

    Phillyspur Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Mar 18, 2007
    Arroganistan
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Credit to you for your honesty. The most fun teams to watch for me so far have been Peru, Belgium and Russia.
     
  13. Phillyspur

    Phillyspur Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Mar 18, 2007
    Arroganistan
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    They could do PK's after any tied group game, for this situation. The PK outcome would only come into play as a tiebreaker if necessary. Only needed for tied games since the head-to-head record decides it otherwise.
     
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  14. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Yep. That's what I just posted somewhere else. Lots of unnecessary PK shootouts though. No easy solution.
     
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  15. Edwardinho

    Edwardinho Member

    Barcelona
    France
    Feb 11, 2018
    The latter.
     
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  16. faiyez

    faiyez Member

    Feb 16, 2010
    Costa Rica
    Club:
    LD Alajuelense
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Japan is not that type of team to begin with. They're less inclined to make harsh challenges, their players don't dive or protest decisions as much as other teams, they have consistently low foul and card counts, etc.

    Japanese football is very "fair play" oriented out of principle. Such naiveté in their play philosophy has always cost them dearly against more cunning opposition. This is actually the first time I've seen them benefit for taking the clean approach.

    Not that I think Senegal was very much at fault in this respect, I should clarify.
     
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  17. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    you all speak as if yellow cards were totally random. They're not. Tackles that are reckless is a pretty agreed upon standard, and teams that do that are more likely to get yellow cards. Similarly for persistent infringment. yes, referees differ some, but not that much.

    In any event, it's better to have something that's correlated with clean play than have a coin flip.
     
  18. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Can't help but laugh at that statement.

    When we've had just 8 years ago a foot to the chest in a WC final be called a yellow card, I think there are plenty of inconsistencies in the ways refs call games. Some let things go at first, some like to set the tone early.

    When you have a KO spot decided by 1 YC, yeah, a coin flip is actually a much fairer method.
     
  19. Froboy69

    Froboy69 Member+

    Mar 25, 2011
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Nothing but respect to Senegal. They deserved to go through, but so does Colombia and Japan.

    Sadly, this group was only going to have 2 players go to the next round.

    See you in the next world cup Senegal! Keep your chins up and you'll have a promising future in football!
     
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  20. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams, OC SC
    May 26, 2001
    Santa Ana, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Poland is the most disappointing team of the tournament. That does not
    Valderrama...I like the guy...
     
  21. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams, OC SC
    May 26, 2001
    Santa Ana, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Japan played smart soccer and that's their advantage...
     
  22. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    their advantage was playing against 10 men for an entire match in their only win. They then lost to one of the worst teams in this WC in pretty much a do or die match.

    Make of that what you will.

    Anyways Senegal only have them selves to blame for letting both Japan and Colombia off the hook.
     
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  23. nick p

    nick p Member+

    Jul 11, 2009
    Baltimore Maryland
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Aliou Cisse handled his team's elimination from the tournament with pure class. Simple and well said
     
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  24. Philip J. Fry

    Philip J. Fry Member+

    Mexico
    Jun 12, 2013
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
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  25. Philip J. Fry

    Philip J. Fry Member+

    Mexico
    Jun 12, 2013
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund

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