Match 36: GER : HUN - KARASEV (RUS)

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  1. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    Match #36
    Germany : Hungary
    Wednesday, 23 June 2021
    21:00 local time (15:00 EDT)
    Munich

    Referee: Sergei Karasev (RUS)
    AR1: Igor Demeshko (RUS)
    AR2: Maksim Gavrilin (RUS)
    Fourth Official: Danny Makkelie (NED)

    Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
    AVAR 1: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
    AVAR 2: Filippo Meli (ITA)
    AVAR 3: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
     
  2. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    Have you ever seen PI at this level?
    It is clear that Part of Hungary’s approach is to foul Hammich every time he gets the ball.
     
  3. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There have been two fouls against Hungary thus far, so it's hard to say anything is clear. And there have been several examples of PI (now PO) cards in this tournament already--if anything, PO cards have become more en vogue at this level as referees have been encouraged, to some extent it seems, to be more conservative on SPA cards. So you often see a PO card after the second quick (or third overall) example of a borderline SPA card.

    Also, who?
     
  4. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Nit pick: fouling the same player by different players isn't PO, as the player committing the last foul has not persistently offended. It's USB. (Not that it really matters.)
     
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  5. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    Kimmich. and again. Late and dirty
     
  6. Pittsburgh Ref

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    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Back when it was PI (!), repeat fouls against one player counted, was the guidance. Not so, now?
     
  7. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    Players on both teams don’t seem to respect Karasev, at all.
     
  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
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    No change. But it was always classified as a form of UB. It was just one of those weird things. Whoever decided such things didn't want a player who committed one foul on the stat sheet being sanctioned for "persistent infringement." So the pattern of fouls classification was UB. This one is truly near the top insofar as practically useful referee nerdery goes.
     
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  9. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    United States
    I think you have a lot of factors and conditions right now playing into how things are going on the field. Weather being a top one. Desperation being another. The off-field issues coming into this one could be another factor. Players are on edge.

    It's too bad this one can't have a crowd of 75,000...
     
  10. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    It's really a function of the definition . . . PI or PO is defined as when a player persistently offends. That just hasn't happened if it's a team tactic--the player has only offended once, so the definition isn't met. But it is a nitpicky, nerdy distinction that doesn't really matter (unless some stupid appeals panel gets hung up on it . . . .).
     
  11. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    And here I thought needed was "knowing " that PI could be 5 guys picking on the star player.
     
  12. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Well, if you know it is a caution, that is all that really matters . . .
     
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  13. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    Interesting sequence there.
    Two players hit skulls.
    Hungary heads ball out.
    CR watches it go out.
    Then blows for possible head injury.
    Restart IDK Hungary.
    Shouldn’t Germany have had a corner?
     
  14. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    It was a delayed offside flag.
     
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  15. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    Ah thanks. Thought they were given the ball after the injury check
     
  16. El Rayo Californiano

    Feb 3, 2014
    How did Karasev do? I only watched the last 10 minutes. I thought Italy vs Switzerland went well.
     

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