Making a list of Great Number 9

Discussion in 'Soccer History' started by Excape Goat, Jul 22, 2007.

  1. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Liked the list for #10, this is for players playing in the position #9.

    1) Eusebio
    2) Gerd Muller
    3) Van Bastem
    4) Ronaldo
    5) Romario
    6) Batigoal
    7) Lineker
    8) Hugo Sánchez
    9) Riva

    How about Henry and Kubalal? Can they be considered a true #9????
     
  2. John Simkin

    John Simkin New Member

    Jul 22, 2007
    Hughie Gallacher was a highly successful centre-forward with Airdrieonians in the [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Scottish League[/FONT]. During a four year period he scored 91 goals in 111 games. In 1925 [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Newcastle United[/FONT] paid Airdrieonians £6,500 for Gallacher. He made an immediate impact and during his first season scored 23 goals in 19 games. The following season Newcastle won the First Division league title. Gallacher, who had been made captain of the side, scored 39 goals in 41 games. After scoring 133 goals in 160 league appearances, Gallacher was sold to [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Chelsea[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT] for £10,000.

    http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/NEWCgallacher.htm

    However, Dixie Dean had a better overall performance than Gallacher.
    In March 1925 [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Dixie Dean[/FONT][/FONT] was transferred from Tranmere Rovers to [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Everton[/FONT] for a fee of £3,000. Dean was one of the best signings of all times. Dean was in sensational form in the 1927-28 season. He scored seven hat-tricks that season and ended up with a record-breaking 60 league goals. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Dean helped Everton[/FONT] win three league championships and a FA Cup final victory. During his time at Everton he scored 349 goals in 399 games.

    http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FdeanD.htm
     
  3. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    Uwe Seeler, Horst Hrubesch.
     
  4. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Just Fontaine, Jean-Pierre Papin
     
  5. zenden

    zenden Member+

    Nov 12, 2006
    yo estoy en Europa
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Ian Rush, Alan Shearer
     
  6. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    In his day, Vieri was a bull (97-98)
     
  7. deleted

    deleted Member

    Aug 18, 2006
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    to be honest no-one post the world war even comes close to gerd muller

    he leads every single competition or league he ever played in, in terms of goals scored, and always at about 1 goal per game which is much higher than anyone else.

    the only one he doesn't lead is the world cup but he has 14 goals from 14 games while ronaldo has 1 more from 5 more games.

    he always scored goals in finals and semifinals of world cups and euros.

    has 1300 odd goals in 1100 odd senior games for bayern and germany (including friendlies), and senior competitive games for fort lauderdale.
     
  8. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Actualy Mueller's World Cup Record is 14 goals scored and 12 matches played.
     
  9. Sagy

    Sagy Member

    Aug 6, 2004
    I think it was 13:
    1970
    1. Jun 03 Morocco, 1 goal
    2. Jun 07 Bulgaria, 3 goals
    3. Jun 10 Peru, 3 goals
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    4. Jun 14 England, 1 goal
    5. Jun 17 Italy, 2 goals
    6. Jun 20 Uruguay
    6 games, 10 goals

    1974
    1. Jun 14 Chile
    2. Jun 18 Australia, 1 goal
    3. Jun 22 East Germany
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    4. Jun 26 Yugoslavia, 1 goal
    5. Jun 30 Sweden
    6. Jul 03 Poland, 1 goal
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    7. Jul 07 Netherlands, 1 goal
    7 games (2nd phase was group, not 1/4 & 1/2 finals), 4 goals
    Total 13 games, 14 goals
     
  10. frasermc

    frasermc Take your flunky and dangle

    Celtic
    Scotland
    Jul 28, 2006
    Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    shearer has to be on the list.


    1991/92 Southampton 41 13
    1992/93 Blackburn Rovers 21 16
    1993/94 Blackburn Rovers 40 31
    1994/95 Blackburn Rovers 42 34
    1995/96 Blackburn Rovers 35 31 138 112
    1996/97 Newcastle United 31 25
    1997/98 Newcastle United 17 2
    1998/99 Newcastle United 30 14
    1999/00 Newcastle United 37 23
    2000/01 Newcastle United 19 5
    2001/02 Newcastle United 37 23
    2002/03 Newcastle United 35 17
    2003/04 Newcastle United 37 22
    2004/05 Newcastle United 28 7
    2005/06 Newcastle United 32 10 303 148

    england caps -- 63 goals -- 30
     
  11. Twenty26Six

    Twenty26Six Feeling Sheepish...

    Jan 2, 2004
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ian Rush

    The numbers speak for themselves. Also, he was regarded as a very good defensive forward w/ a phenomenal work ethic.

     
  12. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Gunnar Nordahl from Sweden should get a mention as well as Silvio Piola, Giuseppe Meazza, Ademir Menezes, Artur Friedenreich, Leonidas da Silva, Klinsi and Sandor Kocsis.

    Henry and Kubala shouldn't be classifed as true number 9s. Kubala never was a number 9 and Henry may have been the main point of Arsenal's attack but his overall game is quite different to a typical number 9. He runs more, a bit like a winger or support striker. The only reason to include him would be for his goalscoring rate but in a way, it would be like including Kurt Hamrin in this list although he was a number 7.
     
  13. xTottixCorex

    xTottixCorex New Member

    Nov 12, 2006
    Indiana
    how about malcolm macdonald???
     
  14. Glavisted Big Soccer

    Sep 24, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    1. Marco van Basten
    2. Ronaldo
    3. Eusebio
    4. Gabriel Batistuta
    5. Gerd Müller
     
  15. Moishe

    Moishe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Mar 6, 2005
    Here there and everywhere.
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina

    While I agree with you having seen the man play live as well as on the tube, he was the real deal and a nice guy as well. In fairness though I'd say the gap b/w he and Ronaldo, MvB.....is a very narrow gap and it would be imposible to say any one of those mentioned is a wrong choice.
     
  16. Cassano

    Cassano Member

    Jul 16, 2004
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Paolo Rossi

    and even though he isn't done yet,

    Filippo Inzaghi.

    Batistuta and Vieri were my favorites in their prime.
     
  17. Catel

    Catel Member

    Dec 18, 2006
    Lyon, France
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Henry, Trezeguet
     
  18. KumarsS

    KumarsS Member

    Jul 10, 2007
    Champaign, IL
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I can only give my opinion on footballers I've seen play extensively, which are all very recent (2002-present), but I'll take a shot at making a list:

    1. Ronaldo
    2. Thierry Henry
    3. Hernan Crespo
    4. Miroslav Klose
    5. Ruud van Nistelrooy
    6. Filippo Inzaghi
    7. Didier Drogba
    8. Zlatan Ibrahimovic
    9. Samuel Eto'o
    10. David Trezeguet

    I'm defining "no. 9" forwards as strikers who play (or tend to play) as target men.
     
  19. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Ibra is a number 10. He just has a very good scoring rate.
     
  20. Perry Digweed

    Perry Digweed New Member

    Nov 6, 2007
    Bobby Charlton
     
  21. Sagy

    Sagy Member

    Aug 6, 2004
    Great player - Yes!!!
    Great #9 - :confused:
     
  22. El Mandrake

    El Mandrake Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    en la popu
    batigol
    zamorano
    that dude that played w/ pele in the bra. nat team
    hugo sanchez
    franchescoli
    eto
    cruz
    palermo
    alan shearer
    ruud
    van basten
    crespo
    ronaldo
    sand
    enrico...paraguay dude that scored alot in the ancient days of argi fooball holds the all time scoring title still
     
  23. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Are you talking about Vava` or Jose Altafini (he was known as Mazzola at the 1958 World Cup)?

    Francescoli was a number 10. It's good to see that Arsenio Erico gets a mention. Paraguay's best player before the likes of Romerito, Cabanas and Chilavert came on the scene.
     
  24. Legacy

    Legacy New Member

    Jul 6, 2006
    London
    I'm a bit surprised that Bobby Charlton and Ruud Van Nistelrooy didn't make the initial list!
     
  25. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Rivaldo, Henry, Ibrahimovic, Charlton are not "9"s. They are midfielders or attacking midfielders. A "9" has to mostly rely on midfielders to create chances for them to score and play in the last 1/3rd or 1/4th of the pitch.

    Basically ...

    - You have your classic box players: RVN, Muller, Van Basten, Trezeguet.
    - And your classic run into passes or at defenders (dribble) players: Ronaldo, Romario, Etoo, Inzagui.

    Ronaldo and Romario could also create plays by taking on defenders, but they mainly relied on feeds from the midfield via through passes and defender isolation.

    Henry exhibits some characteristics of a number 9, but at Arsenal, his position was mainly on the left side of the pitch. He was a winger/attacking midfielder that had a tendency to go towards the middle and shoot. He was as much a play maker as he was a scorer.
     

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