Major Fixture Congestion [R]

Discussion in 'D.C. United' started by Daniel le Rouge, Jun 29, 2005.

  1. Daniel le Rouge

    Daniel le Rouge New Member

    Oct 3, 2002
    under a bridge
    You know, it's beginning to get ridiculous, the fixture congestion we've got to put up with. Take a look at the adjusted schedule below, with Friendlies, Open Cup, Copa Suamericano and other useless games thrown in.

    We may actually be thanking our lucky stars if we're not sending anybody to the All-Star game.

    In July and August we're looking at 11 League matches, 3 Friendlies, potentially 3 Open Cup matches and the Hall of Fame game.

    The next two months are looking like the beginning of April when everybody looked dead, and the only break is a couple of days areound the All-Star game, depending on how far we go in the Open Cup.

    The good news is that unless we make the Semis of the Open Cup, the Copa Sudamericano doesn't add noticeably to the burden--for some reason we're pretty slack in September--probably because July and August are hideously overloaded.

    Just unreal.

    date...............opponent.time (ET)/result

    March. . .

    Wed. 3/9.....Harbour View*.W 2-1

    Wed. 3/16..@ Harbour View*.W 2-1

    April. . .

    Sat. 4/2......@ Chivas USA.W 2-0

    Wed. 4/6.....Pumas UNAM*.T 1-1

    Sat. 4/9.......Chicago Fire.T 1-1

    Wed. 4/13....@ Pumas UNAM*.L 5-0

    Fri. 4/15......@ Columbus Crew.L 1-0

    Sat. 4/23.....New England Revolution.L 4-3

    Sat. 4/30.....@ Kansas City Wizards.T 0-0

    May. . .

    Sat. 5/7......Columbus Crew.W 3-1

    Sat. 5/14.....@ New England Revolution.L 1-0

    Sat. 5/21.....Kansas City Wizards.W 3-2

    Sat. 5/28.....FC Dallas.L 2-0

    June. . .

    Sat. 6/4......@ San Jose Earthquakes.T 0-0

    Sun. 6/12.....@ MetroStars.T 0-0

    Wed. 6/15.....Chicago Fire.W 4-3

    Sat. 6/18......New England Revolution.W 2-0

    Wed. 6/29......@ Chicago Fire.8:30 p.m..

    July. . .

    Sat. 7/2......@ Columbus Crew.7:30 p.m..

    Sat. 7/9......Kansas City Wizards.6:00 p.m..

    Mon. 7/11....@ Rochester Raging Rhinos&.7:30 p.m..

    Wed. 7/13.....US OPEN CUP 3rd Round. .

    Fri. 7/15......San Jose Earthquakes.7:30 p.m..

    Wed. 7/20......@ Kansas City Wizards.8:00 p.m..

    Sat. 7/23......@ Los Angeles Galaxy.4:00 p.m..

    Thu. 7/28......Chelsea FC&.8:00 p.m..

    Sat. 7/30......MLS All-Star Game^.3:30 p.m..

    August. . .

    Wed. 8/3......US OPEN CUP 4th Round. .

    Sat. 8/6......@ Chicago Fire.8:30 p.m..

    Wed. 8/10......MetroStars.7:30 p.m..

    Sat. 8/13......Chivas USA.4:00 p.m..

    Tue. 8/16......@ HarrisburgCity Islanders&.7:30 p.m..

    Sat. 8/20......Los Angeles Galaxy.7:30 p.m..

    Wed. 8/24......US OPEN CUP Quarterfinal. .

    Sat. 8/27......@ New England Revolution.7:30 p.m..

    Mon. 8/29......vs. Colorado Rapids#.1:00 p.m..

    Wed. 8/31......Real Salt Lake.7:30 p.m..

    September. . .

    Sat. 9/3......@ Colorado Rapids.9:30 p.m..

    Sat. 9/10......@ FC Dallas.8:30 p.m..

    Wed. 9/14......US OPEN CUP Semifinal. .

    Thu. 9/15......Team TBA - Copa Sudamericana Leg 1.7:30 p.m.

    Sat. 9/17......Colorado Rapids.7:30 p.m.

    Thu. 9/22......Team TBA - Copa Sudamericana Leg 2.TBA.

    Wed. 9/28......US OPEN CUP Final. .

    October. . .

    Sat. 10/1......@ MetroStars.7:30 p.m..

    Wed. 10/5.....@ Real Salt Lake.9:30 p.m..

    Sat. 10/8......MetroStars.7:30 p.m..

    Sat. 10/15.....Columbus Crew.7:30 p.m..

    . . .

    Dates and times are subject to change. All times Eastern (ET).. . .

    * CONCACAF Champions Cup. . .

    & Friendly. . .

    # Hall of Fame Game in OneontaNY. . .


    Copa Sudamericano
  2. dc 1sided

    dc 1sided New Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    That is really rough. You can't win every cup so let the reserves battle for the Open Cup. The top 15 players can't compete in all of those games.
  3. Treetaliano

    Treetaliano Member

    Jun 29, 2002
    San Diego
    what is fixture congestion? is that like a clogged faucet or something? what does it have to do with soccer?
  4. dc 1sided

    dc 1sided New Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    Hey, if the plumbing's backed up, it's not a happy locker room.
  5. Footer Phooter

    Jul 23, 2000
    Falls Church, VA

    Kind of like the old Bullets practice facility at Bowie St.
  6. michael greene

    Oct 31, 2002
    Kenny Arena, please pick up the white courtesy phone.
  7. BigKris

    BigKris Member

    Jan 17, 2005
    Falls Church, VA
  8. John L

    John L Member+

    Sep 20, 2003
    Alexandria, VA
    Don't forget US MNT Gold Cup and WQC games
  9. lkeniston

    lkeniston Member

    Mar 20, 2003
    Richmond, Va.
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At least PN will have to pull out our reserves guys & give them a shot.

    I, for one, am dying to see our reserves guys get some TV time against quality opposition & a backedup schedule will be like a dose of salts!
  10. writered21

    writered21 Member+

    Jul 14, 2001
    Middle of the Road
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's what, 47 matches if United make the Open Cup final?

    This is the price of being good. This is the price of being the team called upon to represent your league on other shores. And we play those kind of friendlies with an international team and some USL-1 opposition every year, so that's no different.

    It will cause Nowak and Co. to make tough decisions about lineups and such, but that's part of the job description. It's a good problem to have.
  11. dc 1sided

    dc 1sided New Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    Good chance for Troy Perkins to make some noise. He should be plenty busy....
    For Open Cup, Hall of Fame and Colorado, maybe:


    Stokes Merritt Arena Prideaux
    Thompson Van Sicklen
    Walker Kuffour

    I'm assuming Namoff will take Prideaux's spot on the first team. Adu is young and should be able to play more than others w/o getting fatigued.

    That front three looks menacing to me. Skill (Adu), toughness (Kuffour), speed (Arena) :p

    This team beats Chivas 7 times out of ten. Does that count for anything?
  12. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure. But it's still kinda scary to me. I don't really believe it's going to be possible to put out a team that's both solid and fresh for all these matches; so for some we're going to have to take our chances with subpar lineups, and the wrong decision there can bite you in two games. The other thing that worries me is the increased likelihood of injury when: we've already had one starting defender out for almost all the season so far; and a big offseason signing taking up a roster spot + money and not playing, as a gift from AEG to one of their executives.

    Thanks to Daniel Le Rouge for putting this together in the nice color-coded format. There are still other games to be merged into that schedule, though: the reserve league matches. They matter insofar as we can't rest for previous or subsequent big games by relying heavily on reserve players in a league match on the same "weekend" as a reserve match because of the 90 minute rule. Our reserve matches are:

    7/3 -- @Cowlumbus
    7/21 -- @KC
    8/7 -- chicago
    9/4 -- Colorado
    10/9 -- Scum
    10/16 -- Cowlumbus

    Looking at the calendar, it's not as bad as it could be -- the 7/21, 8/7 and 9/4 matches are in the midst of congestion, but I don't know how we'd be seeking to rest first-choice players in their corresponding non-reserve games anyway.

    On a side note, the reserve match on 7/21 @KC is a bit of a bummer. Hopefully it's bright and early in the morning. The league match against KC is the night before, and we have an away match @LA on 7/23. It'd be nice to be able to travel on 7/21 so that we have at least one practice day at the Toolbox.
  13. JRHokie

    JRHokie Member+

    Aug 23, 2001
    Fairfax, VA
    I can almost understand that happening in April but in the hottest months of the year? Just absurd. It has to affect the level of play and increase chance of injuries as you go into the most important part of the season.
  14. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, the bottom line is we need to stop scheduling these silly USL matches and Hall of Fame game crap matches. If we're going to play USL teams, that's what preseason and the US Open Cup are for. The more we play in these tournaments, the less likely we are to be able to swing these friendlies for the league. We can't continue to do both. That being said, all of the reserve guys on DC have just wet their pants, because they now KNOW that they are going to have the chance to get quality minutes against some decent opponents somewhere within the next 3 months. Can we still call up Quintanilla? LOL
  15. Wallydrag

    Wallydrag BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 24, 2002
    Oklahoma City
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If we're going to begin to tack on all these extra games and except invitations to international tournaments (to include the CCC) I think it's not out of the question to realistically look at beginning the MLS season a month earlier in March. I know the DCU can just up and make that decision but it would help ease the pressure of fixture congestion like this. Combine that with playing the USL exhibitions in the preseason like has already been mentioned at it would really help. Plus we might actually be able to not have MLS games on the same day as US friendlies and other international matches.

    You can't schedule soccer matches like baseball games with 3 or 4 in a quick row. Unlike baseball, soccer players actually have to physically exert themselves and that takes some time to recover from.
  16. Pints

    Pints Member

    Apr 21, 2004
    Charm City
    First off, I thought DC didn't enter the US Open Cup until the 4th round. IIRC.
    Also the Harrisburg match is reserves only and that is how it was scheduled also....this will piss some of you off but I kind of like the fact we have a busy schedule. From a strictly spectator point of view the more I get to see United the better. Yeah it is going to be rough, but when I want alot to eat I don't complain when there's a buffet.
  17. Hunter R

    Hunter R New Member

    Jul 7, 2003
    Me, Myself and I
    DC United
    ^^^ you got it right Pints. They dont enter until August 4 which is Round 4 (some MLS squads do start in Round 3 though -- the rest are in 4)

    Some of these "extra" games versus Rochester and Harrisburg should be manned mainly be reserves. The only player we have going to the all star game (probably) is Freddy. Our starters probably all wont go a full 90 versus Chelsea and that Chivas game -- well, figure that one out for yourself! :)
  18. Daniel le Rouge

    Daniel le Rouge New Member

    Oct 3, 2002
    under a bridge
    Thanks for the tips, guys--I had forgotten about the reserve games (possibly by design) and I couldn't find the right link to see the Open Cup brackets. Silly me for thinking would have correct information.

    In the final analysis, yes, it could be worse, but only if somebody really was out to get us.

    And I'd love to see United play all the time too, as long as the games don't suffer in quality through quantity. We've already seen that in April--July/August is going to be worse. Noticeably worse. I hope the guys survive.
  19. pappa

    pappa New Member

    May 4, 2005
    Theres no doubt that success brings more matches which is hard on the players. Squad rotation is so important nowadays
  20. Pints

    Pints Member

    Apr 21, 2004
    Charm City
    I think we saw some shining hope from last nights lineup. Regardless of the loss, it's nice to see Stokes, Koffour, and Walker with the ability to come in and make some dangerous plays. Depth is something we do have this season, well maybe not up to the talent line as we wish, but we have it.
  21. beltwayrob

    beltwayrob New Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    Alexandria, VA
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well I think this is going to be a very interesting summer. We're going to be playing quite the mixture of matches, from MLS regular season, to Sudamerica Cup, Open Cup, and our friendlies, the guys all have to be pumped about it. I agree there are going to be some interesting lineups coming out of this and I think it will only make our teams depth BETTER.
  22. imp65

    imp65 New Member

    Mar 25, 2003
    The problem will worsen after the "Clash of Champions" when our roster will be severely weakened. This is because Chelsea will see David Stokes in action and Roman Abramovic will throw MLS an irresistible $20 million and take him back to the UK for the new EPL season. You read it here first.
  23. michael greene

    Oct 31, 2002
    My shining hope for this season is that Andrulis remains Crew coach. As long as he is there, we'll make the playoffs, no matter how many extra matches we have to play. And then we can just beat New England and New Jersey like we always do in the playoffs and we are just an Esky brace away from repeating. :)
  24. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You do realize that the bottom TWO teams don't make the playoffs, right?
  25. michael greene

    Oct 31, 2002
    Damn you, there goes my shining hope. Now I've got nothing. :)

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