LMvCP back to America?

Discussion in 'Mexico' started by El Guero Naco, Dec 1, 2004.

  1. Levante

    Levante Member+

    Jul 28, 2001
    Bautistasucks.
     
  2. Various Styles

    Various Styles Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    I have never said that :confused:



    What does the rest of Mexico have to do with me ? If you read my post i am not critisizing America for begging Blanco to return. I am giving my personal opinion that Blanco is far from being "LMvCP" and only his fanboys like to ride his nuts..

    As for America wanting Blanco back.. this is the third time that C.A has to ask LMvCP to return :)
     
  3. Don Boppero 3000

    Don Boppero 3000 DNALMQNLGLLMX!

    Jan 15, 2001
    The Fullerton Hotel Chicago
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico


    As a fan I have moved on. I don't know how things will play out, but you're right this is the 3rd time and at least it'll be the last time. Maybe they'll send to him the future Augilas team in Houston.
     
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  4. Deleted USer

    Deleted USer Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    I have never said that

    In not so many words, yes you did. a while back via messenger.

    I dont know if you meant ir OR if that was just another way of you trying to throw something in America face (like you always do). but regardless of which one it is... you did say it.
     
  5. Deleted USer

    Deleted USer Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    after 2006, even if Cuau still can play, i think its best he doesnt play on the NT.. BUT if he is 38 years old and can still play and is still the best in Mexico or one of the best. I WILL ALWAYS WANT HIM WITH AMERICA

    dont you get it? It pisses people off that the best player in Mexico is born and bred Americanista, and I LOVE THAT. I love seeing how people are hipocrits and like catching them on thier biased views.

    I dont know who the next big big star in Mexico will be, but I hope for our (Americanista) sake, Memo Ochoa is the one.

    If the headlines said Ochia and O. Rojas were out late at night drinking and bribing the police, it would have cuased a bigger ruckus.
     
  6. Deleted USer

    Deleted USer Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    You got to love Alberto de la Torre for saying, "i will not speak bad about Cuauh, he qualified Mexico to the WC"
     
  7. Don Boppero 3000

    Don Boppero 3000 DNALMQNLGLLMX!

    Jan 15, 2001
    The Fullerton Hotel Chicago
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I still believe he's very good too, buy I don't know if I like this at all. Seeing that we got rid of him and now we gonna try it again. It seems drastic. I hope that I'm wrong and it works really well. I hope Navia gets back to his old form. I hope Piojo actuall pans out.

    BTW I saw this pic on esmas and I for one thought Navia been eating one to many tortas.

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    Yup people love to talk about America. Can't nobody deny that. Funny is it not.
     
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  8. metalmaster

    metalmaster Member+

    Jul 7, 2004
    In the wrong hood
    Club:
    Hakoah Maccabi Ramat Gan
    He is wrong, one man does not make a team, he throws away the efforts made by everydody else on the team by saying that. But what do you expect from De la Torre?
     
  9. Levante

    Levante Member+

    Jul 28, 2001

    I hate De la Torre....... and I believe that you're saying the right thing, but come on........... Do you remember the Jamaica game?
     
  10. metalmaster

    metalmaster Member+

    Jul 7, 2004
    In the wrong hood
    Club:
    Hakoah Maccabi Ramat Gan
    Yeah I remember, dont get me wrong, I do think Cuau is a good player, very smart on the field and has excellent field vision and very good passing. However I do not share the opinion that he is the best in Mexico or that he alone can make the difference in a team. That is all I'm saying. And let's be realistic, he is not a young pup, so he is not going to get better.If RDL has a problem understanding that and resorts to calling me names if I don't agree with his perception, than that is his problem.
     
  11. Deleted USer

    Deleted USer Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    thats the problem, we dont like to give people credit.

    Cuau made the difference. anyboy who says otherwise is full of shyt.

    i respect people opinions, but i do get on those opions that are fvcking stupid.
     
  12. Various Styles

    Various Styles Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Just because i said it via Messenger it doesnt mean im saying the truth. You know when you ask if i have seen your sister and i say no, she is usually waxing my johnson.. My final opinion on the matter.. Blanco is a catch 22 with America, he is the guy you love to hate. He is their best player and at the same time C.A have never won the league title with him in the squad. Blanco is a hardcore Americanista, i still remember him crying after losing the classico to Chivas, five nil. I respected him for that, it showed he was very passionate.

    Having said that i feel like the multiple decision makers in coapa have for some reason or another have had diffrences with Blanco. They sent his ass packing to Necexa back in 97 only to take him back a yar later, ironically the same year Necaxa wins their league championship. Then Blanco leaves for Valladolid and gives las Aguilas a hard time about returning. Despite comming off a bad injury he forces them to pay him a hefty contarct. Anyone see the Terrazas cartoon with Blanco on top of a cloud and a aguila with a big bag of cash trying to lift it up to Cuauh..

    Now America does their restructuring process and uses Temoc as their calling card for important changes, and again they are bringing him back. I know its mostly done to please the paper bag wearing wilas that have abandoned the club.. All in all he should have never left Coapa in the first place and if he did it should of been to Europe and not on loan.
     
  13. Levante

    Levante Member+

    Jul 28, 2001
    No prob....... it's just that in that game he made a huge difference............

    Let's stop with the name calling on all sides. We are all better than that.
     
  14. Deleted USer

    Deleted USer Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
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    This is a hypothetical question, and i do mean hypothetical

    you said that Blanco is not a young pup and that he is not going to going to get better. And assume you are right that he has reached his fullest potential..

    do we forget about him and go with Mr. Young Pup?

    assume its WC and Mr young pup isnt getting the job done, but mr potential cn still get it done.

    maybe i am a dik in the way a say things which tends to p1ss people off... but i dont believe in the argentinization of our league and NT. People say, "they have won 2 WC and 14 Copa Americas"

    Yes I am quite aware of that, but a Chevy Nova wont sell in Mexico.

    Is it nice to have a player debut at 18, yes.... but even at 20-21 is not bad.

    so, if you are basing it off he is getting old... there is some truth to it... but if you are good.. you are good.
     
  15. metalmaster

    metalmaster Member+

    Jul 7, 2004
    In the wrong hood
    Club:
    Hakoah Maccabi Ramat Gan
    I think at some point you have to look at how you are going to stack up against the competition, and age is a factor, even if you are good, we need to brake (or Mexico needs) this cycle of "respeto a la jerarquia" and go with the younger players if they are playing good.
    How many of our players will be playing their third W.C? To me it is iwrong that we can not produce talent to avoid that situation.
     
  16. DNA

    DNA Member

    Jul 4, 2004
    Los Angeles
    That's because we import so many players from South America.
     
  17. Hugo Sanchez

    Hugo Sanchez Member+

    Aug 21, 2003
    MEX2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I'll answer for him.

    No.

    Bravo, Bofo, Santana, Kikin, Mendoza, Patiño, Osorno, JP Garcia, Iñiguez, Cacho, Ortiz, Romo, Olalde, Mora, etc etc etc have not proven to be reliable.

    Argue Kikin all you want, and this is sincere as I am an avid fan, but he has mixed showings. How is that he hasn't scored a single goal for Pumas but has provided that spark for Lavolpe in his first 4 matches? (Obviously, he is fundamental to UNAM's campaigns. But he's a forward. He's supposed to score goals. Something he isn't doing. At all.)

    Only Borguetti is saved from this conversation and that hurts seeing as how I hate the bastard.

    Cuauhtemoc was a faded hasbeen after the T&T injury and the fracaso in Europe. Or so everyone said. Then he appeared and led us to qualification. Although, I have my personal take on that 5 game campaign under Aguirre. All psychological, but I digress.

    Come '06, are we going to be sticking to this proceso w/ new faces?

    Do we get humiliated on the grandest stage?

    All in the name of some poorly reinforced foundation of an ideal?

    What happens when Lavolpe finally resigns after the lackluster performance? We are left with scraps of a Sven/Bielsa mythical process only to see that the reality that our FMF has left our national team in shambles by sticking to a guy who has "made" our youth system. (BS, I know. Spare me the Atlas fib.)

    RDL is right in every regard with his house building analogies.

    Which leads me to my final question..

    Ever think of going into construction?

    I see many an America cap on the jornaleros in Los Angeles.
     
  18. Deleted USer

    Deleted USer Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    "jeraquira" does not imply age. you are confusing the terms "antiguedad" and "jerarquia"

    anteguedad (seniority) refers to preference over age
    jerarquia (heirarchy) refers to preference over class/rank

    heirarchy has a negative stigma to it because of the assocation with inequality.

    Age is not the determining factor, class is. So no, we shouldnt brake away from respecting heirarchies because the Oswaldos, Jareds, Cuaus, are in a different class and have earned it and have proven it time and time again.

    i dont want to use other NT as en example, because other NTs have different problems... but even the Arg (Simeone, Batistuta, etc) have players that play 3 WCs. And these are the national teams that we are told produce every year the next big thing at age 18.
     
  19. Various Styles

    Various Styles Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    If we dont have a player than can perform better than Cuauh at the international stage then we stick to Blanco.. However not being able to produce another Blanco should raise questions about our player development process..

    So Memo Ochoa should go back to the bench for three more years :)


    Talented players should get playing time as soon as possible.. the more they play the better they become. I rather have a quality youngster debute at 18 and by the time he is 22 yrs old is ready to go to Europe (Marquez) instead of debuting at age 21 and not being truly ready untill three more years in which time he is allready hitting peak form.. Also having younger players getting pt allows us to have stonger National Youth Squads which should produce better results in the Youth World Cups..
     
  20. Hugo Sanchez

    Hugo Sanchez Member+

    Aug 21, 2003
    MEX2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    rdl has won points with me again.

    Little known fact:

    Hugo Sanchez (God, El Papa de Todos, El Rey) would have played in 5 WCs had it not been for Puerto España and Los Cachirrules.

    :(

    Carbajal wouldn't be our only Cinco Copa Man of the Hour.

    Instead, we are subjected to hearing about some goof named Lotthar.
     
  21. Deleted USer

    Deleted USer Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    I like Kikin and Bofo.

    I like their hustle, physicality, and use of both feet. They have good vision.

    I dont think Kikins campaign was a failure because he didnt score a single goal. He is a forward by name, but he is a natural passer. I see some traits in him that Blanco had at age 23-24. I am not saying he will be Blanco, but has the potential. He has great vision.
     
  22. metalmaster

    metalmaster Member+

    Jul 7, 2004
    In the wrong hood
    Club:
    Hakoah Maccabi Ramat Gan
    The real problem is that we lack a very good player in that position, none of the above mentiones has proven to be consistent and effective. Do you think that Kickin (what a gay nickname,by the way) would have scored the same if the N.T had played better teams. ?
     
  23. Various Styles

    Various Styles Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Most of it has to do with Comercialism.. Batistuta sells jerseys and gets more sponserships.. It is however interesting that you mention Batigol because la Albiceleste has yet to produce another striker of that magnitude. Crespo allways in the shadow of Bati has now fallen off the map and the closest they have to a number nine is Luciano Figueroa. Their lack of a goleador has cost them heavily in the WC and in Copa America where Brazil's Adriano proved to be the diffrence..

    And yes they have produced every year.. Look at their atm options : D'Alessandro, Aimar, Riquelme and now Tevez which leaves out players such as Gaitan and Franco, this is simply a luxury that we dont have in the MNT..
     
  24. cadblur

    cadblur New Member

    Jan 8, 2004
    Edinburgh,UK
    Kikin has been playing midfield this term; the game against Veracruz, Kikin, at some point in the match found himself as a central defender. Hugo is not using him as an out and out striker. He used Marioni before and Botero now for that position. So, if Fonseca is playing as an out and out striker for the NT and if he keeps doing it (scoring goals) against better opposition the he gets the nod for me. But, that does not mean Blanco should be out of the team. Quite the opposite Blanco should be a very good complement to Kikin!
     
  25. Various Styles

    Various Styles Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara

    Kikin reminds me more of Luis Hernandez than Cuauh.. Both good at club level but goleadores with the national team. If Fonseca can keep his rythem throught the HEX then he will be our goleador for the World Cup.. Bofo needs to step it up a notch. He needs to leave Mexico in order to raise his level, or get Chivas into Copa Libertadores and polish his skills against South Americas best..
     

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